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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+ <I>Fri Feb 8 14:19:11 CET 2013</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 02:07:52PM +0100, Anne Nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 08/02/2013 13:14, Olav Vitters a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:31:42AM +0000, Colin Guthrie wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Q) Will we make persistent disk-based journals optional?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes: Makes it harder to ask a consistent question to extract debug.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; No: Some people will moan.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;It is either persistent logging or logging in memory right? I assume
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;people won't understand that it'll log anyways, just in memory. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;point in giving an option that does not do what people might expect.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just one point about this. It was said during meeting that having
+</I>&gt;<i> journalctl by default could break some other software like fail2ban.
+</I>&gt;<i> This should be checked.
+</I>
+Some software relies on /var/log/messages and as such syslog. Journal
+does not break anything. But if you then remove syslog, then result is
+that such things will break.
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+Same for gnome-system-log. IMO we should fix that software which relies
+on /var/log/messages (before 3 and if found afterwards, provide
+updates). For unmaintained software, deal with it as any other.
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+/var/log/messages usually contains this weeks log messages. It is pretty
+trivial to replace that with the output of journalctl.
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+Regards,
+Olav
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