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+ <B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what about the tty12 bug? can this be fixed with journald? it seems to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a feature that people don't want to lose?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure. I'll find out. It should be trivial really... i.e. all it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> really needs is a journalctl -f command run on tty12. You could craft an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> agetty command that worked like that easily enough, although there may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> be something more elegant that is more efficient and cleaner.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since the tty12 &quot;feature&quot; is present now, it would be nice if it could still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be there and started as soon as possible, just like before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to try it, can you set:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TTYPath=/dev/tty12
+</I>&gt;<i> ForwardToConsole=yes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in /etc/systemd/journald.conf
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not 100% sure whether it really should be available by default tho'.
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean, if you are a logged in user you cannot view the system logs
+</I>&gt;<i> unless you are in the adm group or root. Why should you just be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> see it via switching to a tty? Seems somewhat counter intuitive to me.
+</I>
+I think it used to be enabled or not by msec depending on security level
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+&gt;<i> Of course you could say that if someone has physical access then all
+</I>&gt;<i> bets are off anyway... but IMO it does still seem slightly juxtaposed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts welcome on whether:
+</I>&gt;<i> a) This should be off by default (as now - but change from classic syslog)
+</I>&gt;<i> b) We should default it to on.
+</I>&gt;<i> c) We should provide an easy to use ticky box to turn it off/on easily
+</I>&gt;<i> via GUI.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regardless, we should probably configure all syslogs to not do this by
+</I>&gt;<i> default (as it will class if it's enabled in the journal).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie
+</I>&gt;<i> colin(at)mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Day Job:
+</I>&gt;<i> Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Open Source:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>
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