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We had several (many!) proposals on that topics and we +</I>>>><i> need to take some decisions. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Here are some prerequisites I can see for what I can read in comments +</I>>>><i> and review about Mageia on the web. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> - provide a full open source software version +</I>>>><i> - provide CD iso(s) so that it can be quick to download (people having +</I>>>><i> low band-width or paying depending how much they use it) +</I>>>><i> - provide live version(s) +</I>>>><i> - decrease isos number. QA is just a hell on the set we had for Mageia 2 +</I>>>><i> - provide localization as large as possible +</I>>>><i> - provide isos including major drivers including proprietary one to make +</I>>>><i> it easier to install and configure +</I>>><i> ... +</I>>>><i> Please add all explanations to your proposal. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Let say we take one week on this so until 26/09 then we will make a +</I>>>><i> final proposal +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Cheers +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> My suggestions : +</I>>><i> *Non-live isos* +</I>>><i> 1 dual cd with proprietory firmware/drivers +</I>>><i> -- based on comments by Alien and others +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1 dvd 32-bit with proprietory firmware/drivers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> you do realize that this is a no-go as we already have problem fitting +</I>><i> even LXDE on dual isos (as you only have ~350M / arch for rpms and +</I>><i> installer, so trying to load a lot of extra fw and drivers on wont work. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And yes, we already hardlink noarch packages +</I> +For the dual cd I was just going on comments by others, but I can +understand the space problem. I wasn't anticipating multiple desktops +for that iso. Whatever works for those who use it, and those who create +it, is fine by me. + +It has occured to me that maybe it would be better to have 2 cds, one +each for 32-bit and 64-bit. That would make it a lot easier to find +enough space, and maybe even make it simpler to create ? It would add +another cd, but maybe not increase the workload. +Testing should be about the same. +(And carrying 2 cds in a pocket instead of one shouldn't be a problem.) + +As for the 32-bit dvd with proprietory firmware and drivers where +reliable free aren't available, I think that that is important. + +><i> +</I>>><i> -- we could ask at the beginning something like +</I>>><i> "This disc can install proprietory firmware or drivers needed by your +</I>>><i> hardware. Do you want to : +</I>>><i> 1) Install such software automatically, +</I>>><i> 2) Ask for each such software, or +</I>>><i> 3) Never install such software." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That way users can accept or avoid such software as they wish. +</I>>><i> At the same time, users will never be stuck. This will be particularly +</I>>><i> useful for new users, especially those who found the dvd in a magazine. +</I>>><i> Also users preferring no non-free, including firmware or drivers, could +</I>>><i> simply resinstall accepting certain firmware/drivers after finding that +</I>>><i> their hardware doesn't work properly. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As with all suggestions to mod the installer, we still need someone to +</I>><i> do the work, not just expect that "someone" will do it... +</I> +True. +If all installers, and not just the live installers, carry the +proprietory firmware/drivers, maybe that will alleviate some of the +workload ? +BTW, I'm sure that we all appreciate your important contributions on this. + +><i> +</I>[...] +>><i> *Live isos* +</I>>><i> 1 live (installable like current dvds) dvd 64-bit with +</I>>><i> kde/gnome/lxde/xfce and all localizations, and the proprietory +</I>>><i> firmware/drivers now found on live cds. +</I>>><i> -- variation of suggestion by Sander +</I>>><i> -- this replaces both the current 64-bit dvd + 8 live cds +</I>>><i> -- it seems much less likely that 64-bit users will have the download +</I>>><i> bandwidth problems of many 32-bit users. (If I'm not mistaken.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are kidding, right ? +</I>><i> Just because they have a 64bit hw, it does not mean they have accees +</I>><i> to cheap bw since that depends on where they live, what isp they have, +</I>><i> and so on... +</I> +I agree that having 64-bit hw doesn't necessarily mean one has cheap bw. + Just thought that it was more likely than many with 32-bit hw. +In any case, if they do have a problem, they could always use the 32-bit +version. But the converse is not true. + +><i> +</I>>><i> -- users with 64-bit machines could still use a 32-bit live cd if they +</I>>><i> wish. +</I>>><i> -- This should save a lot of problems testing, as many potential testers +</I>>><i> don't have 64-bit machines available. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 8 live cds 32-bit; kde or gnome; 4 localisation groups +</I>>><i> -- users with 32-bit machines are more likely to have bandwidth +</I>>><i> problems, or to not have dvd writers. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This totals 11 isos, down from 19. (reduced by 8 live cds.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Note that I didn't include an iso without proprietory firmware/drivers, +</I>>><i> as with appropriate warnings on those with, an iso without would be +</I>>><i> redundant. Just unnecessarily increasing the testing workload. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Note also that it would be useful to have a file in the iso directory +</I>>><i> listing the languages available on the various live cds. (Lacking for +</I>>><i> mga2, but did exist for mandriva.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not so... every livecd is has a matching *.lang: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs">http://mirrors.kernel.org/mageia/iso/2/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD/Mageia-2-LiveCD-GNOME-Europe1-Americas-i586-CD.langs</A> +</I> +My mirror doesn't carry the *.lang files (mageia.webconquest.com in Canada) +Aren't they supposed to carry all the iso-related files, if they carry +isos ? + +><i> +</I>><i> And this page lists the langs on the isos too: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> A final point - to me it is really important to be able to upgrade an +</I>>><i> existing installation, instead of forcing a clean install. This allows +</I>><i> +</I>><i> DVDs and netinstalls already support upgrades... +</I>><i> (DVDs will still always have some problem unless you add online medias, +</I>><i> as we cant fit all of the online repos on the DVDs) +</I> +Just made the point since there has been some discussion which seemed to +suggest changing that. +As long as one can do a release upgrade install without internet access, +redoing an update on line afterwards is not problematic. It works quite +well. +><i> +</I>><i> The mga3 upgrade path will need more work due to UsrMove, but it +</I>><i> should still be possible... +</I> +Hopefully. UsrMove was a good idea. +Maybe users with /usr on / could do UsrMove before upgrade to mga3 ? +><i> +</I>>><i> the user to more easily keep their current configuration, and in some +</I>>><i> cases essential drivers/firmware not on the iso. Referring to the dvds +</I>>><i> and the dual cd, and not the live cds, which are not primarily for +</I>>><i> installation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess you mean livecds _are_ meant for installation, not upgrades +</I> +Right :) +But I was also thinking that there will be users that just boot a live +cd to see what it looks like, then actually install using a dvd, or +maybe use the live cd just for a review (without installing). + +><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thomas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="018918.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="018899.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia 3 final set of isos +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#18898">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#18898">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#18898">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#18898">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |