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Is this really needed? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> There has been a wide consensus for the solution to put it into +</I>>>><i> tainted as has been said in this thread as well. There are 2 options +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Each package in non-free must be inspected case-by-case to know if it +</I>>><i> can be distributed/used, but their licenses are valid world-wide +</I>>><i> (because copyright is pretty much universally accepted). The packages in +</I>>><i> tainted can all be used/distributed *if* patents on software are not +</I>>><i> considered valid in the country where the user/mirror resides. Do you +</I>>><i> really want to mix those two? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Don't quite follow the logic, but maybe I misunderstand your point. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A package qualifies for nonfree if it is not open source (for whatever +</I>><i> reason) and there are no restrictions on its' redistribution, world-wide. +</I>><i> All official mirrors are required to carry nonfree repos, as well as core. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If there is some constraint on the redistribution of a package in some +</I>><i> countries, such as patent claims or encryption technology used or +</I>><i> whatever, mirrors in affected countries may reasonably want to avoid +</I>><i> carrying such packages. +</I>><i> For this reason, we created the "tainted" repos, which are optional for +</I>><i> official mirrors. +</I>><i> However we added the additional restriction that packages in tainted +</I>><i> must also be open source, to satisfy those that don't want to install +</I>><i> non-free packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we want to continue this additional restriction, we would have to +</I>><i> create another set of repos for packages that are both constrained +</I>><i> (tainted) and non-free, in order to carry such packages. +</I>><i> However there are very few packages that meet this restriction. Also +</I>><i> the tainted repos contain relatively few packages, compared with core +</I>><i> and nonfree. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We could have used another approach. +</I>><i> We could use a tag in the package name, or some other method, to clearly +</I>><i> indicate that the package in question is non-free. +</I>><i> Thus making it easier for those who wish to avoid non-free at all costs, +</I>><i> to avoid installing non-free packages in the tainted repo. +</I>><i> (But it still wouldn't remove non-free parts of the kernel.) +</I> + +><i> +</I>><i> Note that packages in the tainted repos aren't distributed on iso, so +</I>><i> that a user wanting tainted packages would have to download such +</I>><i> packages from the net. And thus such a user could even avoid having +</I>><i> (uninstalled) tainted non-free packages on their computer. +</I> + +><i> +</I>><i> In sum, I agree with the proposal of this thread to allow non-free +</I>><i> packages in tainted repos. +</I>><i> +</I>The problem : +In Tainted repo we can find now vlc-tainted, gstreamer-tainted, +mencoder-tainted... they are free indeed (because built without faac) + +but what to do if we want to build them with faac : they are always +tainted but become non-free too ! + +For instance, with vlc (it's the same for mplayer or others) : + +1) is it possible to have two versions of the same package in the same +repo ? +a vlc-free-tainted one (built with mp3 codec without faac) for strict +opensource users +and a vlc-nonfree-tainted one (built with mp3 decoder with faac) for +ordinary users, with an information for strict opensource users to avoid it + +2) or must we choose one version ... and then who will be satisfied +only vlc-free-tainted (strict opensource users will be happy but other +ordinary users can't work on aac files) +only vlc-nonfree-tainted (everybody is happy except the strict +opensource users that can no more even hear mp3 files with vlc...) + +If we can't satisfy everybody, we have to choose who must be satisfied, +and why !... + + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Christiaan +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="019634.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="019640.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#19637">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#19637">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#19637">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#19637">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |