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Solbu <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">cooker at solbu.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> Not according to official mageia documentation and policy it doesn't. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes#The_Mageia_online_repositories</A> +</I>>><i> That page states that there is No nonfree software in tainted. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mirrors_policy#tainted</A> +</I>>><i> Current policy states that nonfree packages are Not allowed in tainted. That includes patented nonfree packages. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Then we also need to change current guidelines as to what goes in tainted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is exactly why we are discussing it here ! :) +</I>><i> These guidelines were set when this special case (faac) did not come +</I>><i> to mind. When it did, this discussion started. +</I>><i> +</I>To sumarize : ;) + +1) Core repo = opensource and free softwares without any patent problem +in any country : OK for FOSS zealous users +opensource licences = + Academic Free License 3.0 (AFL-3.0) + Affero GNU Public License: See "GNU Affero General Public License +3.0 (AGPL-3.0)" + Adaptive Public License (APL-1.0) + Apache License 2.0 (Apache-2.0) + Apple Public Source License (APSL-2.0) + Artistic license 2.0 (Artistic-2.0) + Attribution Assurance Licenses (AAL) + BSD 3-Clause "New" or "Revised" License (BSD-3-Clause) + BSD 2-Clause "Simplified" or "FreeBSD" License (BSD-2-Clause) + Boost Software License (BSL-1.0) + Computer Associates Trusted Open Source License 1.1 (CATOSL-1.1) + Common Development and Distribution License 1.0 (CDDL-1.0) + Common Public Attribution License 1.0 (CPAL-1.0) + CUA Office Public License Version 1.0 (CUA-OPL-1.0) + EU DataGrid Software License (EUDatagrid) + Eclipse Public License 1.0 (EPL-1.0) + Educational Community License, Version 2.0 (ECL-2.0) + Eiffel Forum License V2.0 (EFL-2.0) + Entessa Public License (Entessa) + European Union Public License, Version 1.1 (EUPL-1.1) (links to +every language's version on their site) + Fair License (FAIR) + Frameworx License (Frameworx-1.0) + GNU Affero General Public License v3 (AGPL-3.0) + GNU General Public License version 2.0 (GPL-2.0) + GNU General Public License version 3.0 (GPL-3.0) + GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License version 2.1 (LGPL-2.1) + GNU Library or "Lesser" General Public License version 3.0 (LGPL-3.0) + Historical Permission Notice and Disclaimer (HPND) + IBM Public License 1.0 (IPL-1.0) + IPA Font License (IPA) + ISC License (ISC) + LaTeX Project Public License 1.3c (LPPL-1.3c) + Lucent Public License Version 1.02 (LPL-1.02) + MirOS Licence (MirOS) + Microsoft Public License (Ms-PL) + Microsoft Reciprocal License (Ms-RL) + MIT license (MIT) + Motosoto License (Motosoto) + Mozilla Public License 2.0 (MPL-2.0) + Multics License (Multics) + NASA Open Source Agreement 1.3 (NASA 1.3) + NTP License (NTP) + Naumen Public License (Naumen) + Nethack General Public License (NGPL) + Nokia Open Source License (Nokia) + Non-Profit Open Software License 3.0 (NPOSL-3.0) + OCLC Research Public License 2.0 (OCLC-2.0) + Open Font License 1.1 (OFL 1.1) + Open Group Test Suite License (OGTSL) + Open Software License 3.0 (OSL-3.0) + PHP License 3.0 (PHP-3.0) + The PostgreSQL License (PostgreSQL) + Python License (Python-2.0) (overall Python license) + CNRI Python license (CNRI-Python) (CNRI portion of Python License) + Q Public License (QPL-1.0) + RealNetworks Public Source License V1.0 (RPSL-1.0) + Reciprocal Public License 1.5 (RPL-1.5) + Ricoh Source Code Public License (RSCPL) + Simple Public License 2.0 (SimPL-2.0) + Sleepycat License (Sleepycat) + Sun Public License 1.0 (SPL-1.0) + Sybase Open Watcom Public License 1.0 (Watcom-1.0) + University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License (NCSA) + Vovida Software License v. 1.0 (VSL-1.0) + W3C License (W3C) + wxWindows Library License (WXwindows) + X.Net License (Xnet) + Zope Public License 2.0 (ZPL-2.0) + zlib/libpng license (Zlib) + +And perhaps some other forgotten licenses + + + +2) Non free repo = freedom of use, but proprietary and not opensource +stuff (no good for FOSS zealous users) + they bring no patent problem in any country : they can be distributed +without restriction... +that means mainly graphics drivers for Nvidia, ATI, firmwares for wifi- +cheapsets... +(Some prefer to use nouveau instead of nvidia drivers... and some will +have to wait until a cheapset with opensource firmware appears, but most +of users want to install and use GNU Linux on their actual computer +thanks to non-free repo) + +Non free repo contains too : +some utilities to download some non opensource softwares from the +proprietary web site (Adobe-flash, Skype) that can't be distributed . +FOSS zealous wouldn't use this no more... Ordinary user may need these +softwares + + + +3) tainted repo = opensource and free softwares with patent problem in +some countries : quite OK for FOSS addicts (nevertheless some of them +wouldn't even use an opensource software to read a patented format such +as mp3 : they prefer ogg and ask to boycott mp3... or aac) + + + + +FAAC problem : it's indeed and absolutely tainted because of patent +problem (like FAAD which allows to read aac files and is provided in +tainted repo, same as lame to encode mp3 and gstreamer-plugin-ugly to +decode mp3 ) +but : it's not entirely opensource because it is based on a ISO +reference code which of course is not opensource .... this standard was +developed by several companies which cooperated and contributed to +create it (AT T, Dolby, Fraunhofer, Nokia ...) + +It's not good for FOSS addicts !!!! + +There were endless discussions about it (like zoologists about platypus +ie ornythorynchus +is it a mammalian yes the female milk the young... but it lays eggs like +a bird or a reptile... but it is venomous like a reptile or an +arthropode ... but it has a beak like a duck! is it a hoax ? where must +it be classified ?) + + + +Not lots of possibilities to create aac or mp4 files : +- Neroaacenc proprietary (non-free and non distributable) +- libavcodec not so good +- vo-aacenc ( for androïd, seems to have the same ISO basis as faac !!!) +- fdk-aac (copyleft from Fraunhofer... who wrote the ISO standard !!!!) +this last one is too young to have been used by other programs + +Nowadays Cinerella, Handbrake need FAAC and can't be provided by Mageia! +Gstreamer, FFMPEG, VLC, avidemux, mencoder, CDex ... might be built with +FAAC and then allow to create mp4 or aac files (that are quite a +standard on the web) they were built this way in PLF... they are not +provided built this way by Mageia. + +If the problem is really not soluble inside Mageia we can ask for a +third party repo (guys from Blogdrake already provide FAAC, handbrake +and cinerella... may we ask them to rebuild upon FAAC some Mageia's rpms +? the spec files are ready for this!) + + + + +Last thoughts : + +Anyway : +Some other free softwares are based on ISO references (we can even find +them in the Core repo !) +Is there anybody to complain to have to use a unicode based or ISO +8859-* based web-browser, or text-writer ?... is it still opensource ? +Or must we use a FOSS standard that only FOSS users may understand ? + + + + + + + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="019134.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="019150.html">[Mageia-dev] rehashing the faac issue +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#19148">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#19148">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#19148">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#19148">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |