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+ + +>><i> So we offer the choice between: +</I>>><i> - either be able to choose between working proprietary driver and +</I>>><i>   working free driver +</I>>><i> - or to have non working free driver +</I>>><i> This is _INSANE_. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I think It's time we reconsider this. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Firmwares do not run on the main CPU. +</I>>><i> They're needed for additional chips where no one will ever +</I>>><i> ever write a program for. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> From the main CPU/memory view point they're data. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But not from our perspective about free-only. +</I> +Then why do you promote proprietary drivers on live cds :-) ? +Again this is totally inconsistent... + +And nobody will ever wrote an alternative firmware anyway... +And in most cases, nobody knows how the internal works. +And for the AMD/ATI case, the free driver won't pick directly at the +hardware but will use AtomBIOS to level differences between +hw (remember the radeonhd fiasco). + +Who will rewrite the AMD firmwares for all radeon generations +and/or make the driver work without Atom BIOS ?? +Come on... + +What we're actually promoting to our end users is that free drivers +suck whereas the live cds with proprietary drivers works smoothly. + +That's a total aberration regarding promoting FOSS + +>><i> I think we should offer the choice to: +</I>>><i> - either be able to choose between working proprietary driver and +</I>>><i>   working free driver +</I>>><i> - or to have _working_ free driver +</I>>><i>   (that is including the needed firmwares) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As pointed out in earlier discussions about this issue... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is 2 points needing fix. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - the installer should detect the need for nonfree, and ask if people +</I>><i>  want to enable it. (or simply ask if user want to add nonfree media) +</I> +I'm actually planning to add a media screen in cauldron installer so that +one can enable/disable media. + +But that needs to actually include a nonfree/release subset on the install +ISO so that those w/o network can enable it. + +Detecting need for non-free could then be done (looking at modinfo +output for needed modules) + +><i> - the other thing to fix is to change the installer option about +</I>><i>  "additional CD" to "additional media" and allow for browsing for +</I>><i>  additional rpms on a cd/dvd/disk/usb/... media. +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015958.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] radeon firmware in non-free +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015965.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] radeon firmware in non-free +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15964">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15964">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15964">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15964">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |