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(or simply ask if user want to add nonfree media) + +- the other thing to fix is to change the installer option about + "additional CD" to "additional media" and allow for browsing for + additional rpms on a cd/dvd/disk/usb/... media. + + +-- +Thomas + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015954.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] radeon firmware in non-free +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015964.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] radeon firmware in non-free +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15958">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15958">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15958">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15958">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |