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It's a way to get rid of old, +</I>>>>><i> obsoleted and unused pkgs which are also removed from SVN (moved to +</I>>>>><i> /packages/obsolete/). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I wasn't aware we ever did this and I can't think of a good reason to do +</I>>>><i> so either so I would prefer this change was reverted (and any other old +</I>>>><i> libs in there similarly removed from obsoletion). +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> There is a difference between no longer shipping something and no longer +</I>>>><i> supporting it being installed. If I've compiled my own software against +</I>>>><i> any given library I do not want something to remove it automatically and +</I>>>><i> break my build. That's the whole point in having library packaging the +</I>>>><i> way we do - to allow them to live on mostly forever on an installed +</I>>>><i> system. If we no longer support something being installed then using +</I>>>><i> task-obsoletes seems wise. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I guess we need another way to drop pkgs easily from our mirrors then. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Users are then responsible for removing old library packages they no +</I>>>><i> longer want from their system using either the urpme --auto-orphans or +</I>>>><i> urpmq --not-available. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Maybe I've misunderstood the intention here, and if so feel free to +</I>>>><i> correct me! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> My primary motives was to drop pkgs from our repos, but in this case +</I>>><i> there's no need to have libxfce4menu installed in any system as it was +</I>>><i> abandoned upstream over 1.5 years ago and there's no pkgs needing it in +</I>>><i> our repos (mga1, mga2 or mga3). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Can't say anything about other cases, though. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> packages are automatically removed from the repo ( or by pterjan i +</I>><i> don't recall ) so no need and we never obsolete libs. +</I> +They are supposed to be automatically removed after a few weeks but it +does not seem to work, so I still do it manually (and that allows +catching problems like forgotten obsoletes in some cases). +What should really be done is to send an email at upload time when +some subpackages remain from the old src.rpm and then we can remove +them automatically one or two weeks later. Ideally we would also +notify maintainers of packages requiring the old lib at the same time. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015937.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015942.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-obsolete-3-1.mga3 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15940">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15940">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15940">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15940">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |