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(no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation)</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Are%20you%20sure%3F%20%28no%20confirmation%20before%20proceeding%0A%20to%20selected%20packages%20installation%29&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6V%3DsdrKdopuHKccmwSxpKaPOD3G%3DkUvq8bwLm0eMscPg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation)">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri May 4 17:59:49 CEST 2012</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015291.html">[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015294.html">[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#15292">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#15292">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#15292">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#15292">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Le 4 mai 2012 17:19, "Wolfgang Bornath" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2012/5/4 Dimitrios Glentadakis <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">dglent at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Le 4 mai 2012 16:29, "Thomas Backlund" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tmb at mageia.org</A>> a écrit : +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> 04.05.2012 17:27, Thierry Vignaud skrev: +</I>>><i> >> > On 4 May 2012 16:19, Felix Miata <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mrmazda at earthlink.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> >> >> Mageia's installer has the same problem that bothers me in Mandriva. +</I>>><i> >> >> The +</I>>><i> >> >> type install screen with KDE vs Gnome vs custom has no intermediate +</I>>><i> >> >> step +</I>>><i> >> >> prior to the start of selected packages installation. Does this +</I>>><i> >> >> bother +</I>>><i> >> >> no +</I>>><i> >> >> one else? +</I>>><i> >> > +</I>>><i> >> > Too late to report. +</I>>><i> >> > When people will cease to do ala Gael tests aka just before the +</I>>><i> >> > final? +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> Well, only too late for mga2, but it can get on wishlist for mga3 +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> >> -- +</I>>><i> >> Thomas +</I>>><i> >> +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Another case is when you install in the existing partitions and in the +</I>>><i> > partitioning screen you choose the partitions, /, /home, etc, and you +</I>>><i> > have +</I>>><i> > checked in the checkbox a partition to be formatted. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > It seems very logical to me that in this step a confirmation is more +</I>>><i> > than +</I>>><i> > usefull. +</I>>><i> > Before a 2-3 years there was a brainstorm in mandriva and i had proposed +</I>>><i> > the +</I>>><i> > usage of confirmation dialogues. I cannot find the link now, but the +</I>>><i> > answers +</I>>><i> > that i got was like 'you click on OK so you have to be sure', 'no +</I>>><i> > needed, +</I>>><i> > useless feature' etc. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > If there will be a brainstorm in mageia, i would like to try to propose +</I>>><i> > it +</I>>><i> > again. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Do you think you will get a different result? Look at Microsoft. +</I>>><i> People were so annoyed by all these "Are you sure" popups that +</I>>><i> comedians started to refer to these popups in their standup sessions +</I>>><i> ("Do you really want to use the brake pedal?"). AFAIR there hasn't +</I>>><i> been such a popup at the situations you pointed to as long as +</I>>><i> Mandrake/Mandriva existed. I haven't heard anybody complaining about +</I>>><i> this (until today). +</I>>><i> About the selection screens: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For me the first selection screen (KDE - Gnome - Custom) serves the +</I>>><i> new user who wants to get on with the installation without any +</I>>><i> interactive stuff he would not know how to handle it. So the screen +</I>>><i> presents 2 options which will get him a standard system with one +</I>>><i> click. Everybody else is surely able to understand the word "Custom" +</I>>><i> which opens the door to everything else. The next screen offers a +</I>>><i> package selection which allows for installation of whole groups (or +</I>>><i> non-installation). This same screen opens the door to the minimal +</I>>><i> installation options (if you deselect all package groups). It also +</I>>><i> shows the option "Individual package selection". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> To me this is a logical procedure (one step following the selection of +</I>>><i> the previous step). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of course Mageia could put something like "Clicking OK will start the +</I>>><i> installation" below the KDE and Gnome options or something similar. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> About the partitioning: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What exactly do you miss there (you have seen the "expert" button?) ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IMHO there is nothing missing or at presented at the wrong state of +</I>>><i> the installation procedure. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In the specific case i mentionned, there is a risc of loosing data, so i +</I>><i> think that it is usefull to prevent. Why you are informed when you switch to +</I>><i> expert mode in diskdrake? +</I> +Because the "Expert" button is there to tell users that if they will +press this button they should know what they are doing. + +><i> Twice i avoided to delete the /home partition. To prevent other users, in +</I>><i> the greek translation i add the 'formatting (delete data)' +</I> +At which occasion? In normal mode after leaving the partitioning +screen you will get a list of partitions which will be formatted. If +you set the mount point for /home on your "old" home partition the +checkbox beside this partition will be not marked by default. So, +first a new user does not have an old /home partition, second: if he +has then he should not override the default (or click on "Back" to +make sure he does not do something stupid). Yes, there is a "Back" +button on the formatting screen. Besides, clicking on "Next" in the +partitioning screen shows a popup where you can cancel the operation. + +So this step (partitioning and formatting) is secured by the double. +Given the fact that even the newest user should be aware that this is +an important step I think a normal computer user will pay attention to +what he is doing there. + +I don't think that I understand what you mean exactly. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="015291.html">[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? (no confirmation before proceeding to selected packages installation) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="015294.html">[Mageia-dev] Are you sure? 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