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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+ <I>Fri Mar 30 16:00:22 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Colin Guthrie wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 30/03/12 10:17 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Using task-obsolete is fine:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - its purpose is crystal-clear
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - if I don't want it, I don't install it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Adding an obsolete tag in openjdk to remove sun jdk now, for security
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; concernes, whereas we had suffered a useless mess of at least four
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available java environnement at once for years uselessly (excepted for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; blindly applying jpackage project practices), doesn't seems quite similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well think of it this way (assuming I have the facts vaguely straight):
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+</I>&gt;<i> Forget about Cauldron and mga2
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We're providing a known insecure version to mga1 users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to find a way to update mga1 somehow right? Or do we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> just abandon them?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Assuming we do not want to abandon them, what do we do? I'd suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> shipping a new empty package that replaces it with a README.urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> telling them to go to Sun directly is the most responsible thing for us
+</I>&gt;<i> to do. If they do not have a JRE installed, and they have packages that
+</I>&gt;<i> require one, then they should be prompted to install e.g. openjdk to
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfy package deps. That should work OK right?
+</I>
+I think an empty package is not a good idea, it would be better to
+obsolete it in task-obsolete :
+ - it's more clear that the package is obsoleted and is not a regular
+ update. Users installing an empty package as update would only see that
+ it is removed but not updated when it's already removed.
+ - package is really removed and no longer listed as installed in rpm
+ database
+ - it's easy to add task-obsolete in urpmi skip.list for people who
+ don't want unmaintained packages to be automatically removed
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