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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+ <I>Fri Mar 30 09:52:06 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le 29/03/2012 23:06, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Am 29.03.2012 22:23, schrieb Maarten Vanraes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op donderdag 29 maart 2012 21:08:22 schreef David Walser:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Guillaume Rousse&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">guillomovitch at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If I want to keep a proprietary JRE on my computers, because I trust it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more to run crap proprietary applications (also called
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> corporate-compliants), than marvelous free-licensed environment they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have never been tested with, that is my choice, not yours.
+</I>&gt;<i> So you say that you really want to keep an outdated
+</I>&gt;<i> package with many security holes, which even the
+</I>&gt;<i> infamous Zeus bot is said to exploit?
+</I>I think I'm best placed than anyone else to evaluate the exact risk I'm
+facing on the machines I'm running, because I know what they are used
+for, how they are managed, and how they are protected exactly from
+external threat such as Zeus. The decision of how to manage this problem
+exactly belongs to me.
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+&gt;<i> Sure, that's your choice and you're free to do this,
+</I>&gt;<i> but we can't keep our users susceptible to such
+</I>&gt;<i> problems.
+</I>You're not a system administrator, whose duty is to take this kind of
+decision, you are a technical solution provider. You're clearly
+confusing the roles here.
+
+Removing the sun java package from the distribution is perfectly fine
+(and anyway, there is no real choice). Explaining it in release notes,
+with alternative solutions suggestions also. But automatically removing
+software for security concerns, without asking for user consent, would
+be a first step into transfering decision power from user to operating
+system vendor. Trusted computing approach, in other terms.
+--
+BOFH excuse #301:
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+appears to be a Slow/Narrow SCSI-0 Interface problem
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