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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] How to proceed with seamonkey/iceape for security updates and freeze push</H1>
+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+ <I>Tue Mar 27 21:10:04 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Am 26.03.2012 21:29, schrieb Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 26 mars 2012 19:46:56, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If nobody responds, i'll push my current work as security update for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1, and drop iceape from cauldron so that we won't have an outdated package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and a potential security risk for Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem with dropping a package that was present in Mageia 1, in my
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion, is that it's too late to do so. By shipping it we implicitly promised
+</I>&gt;<i> to maintain it. Of course with that kind of logic we would never drop any
+</I>&gt;<i> package, but I just wanted to point out that dropping a package is not that an
+</I>&gt;<i> easy solution : when dropping something, there should be a note somewhere (in
+</I>&gt;<i> the errata?), there should be a warning before upgrade (ideally &quot;the following
+</I>&gt;<i> packages found on your system are no longer supported in Mageia 2 and will not
+</I>&gt;<i> get security updates. Do you want to continue?&quot;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not volunteering to maintain it, so I won't strongly oppose dropping it,
+</I>&gt;<i> but if possible I'd like we actively looked for a maintainer first rather and
+</I>&gt;<i> drop it only as a last solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, i've put this up multiple times before, the rebrand and the missing
+security updates, now that nothing has happened, i've at least worked
+on a solution for Mageia 1. But we should try to keep it sustainable
+in the long term.
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+So please not make that &quot;we should look for a maintainer&quot; as then IMHO
+nothing will happen by itself, but just propose to feed it to Cerberus.
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+Wasn't the goal some time ago to have no packages maintained by infamous
+nobody? Now we have packages, which are not really maintained. This is
+quite a step back.
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+Also please consider that nobody was interested about discussing a proposal
+for a policy about unresponsive maintainers, which is a really similar topic, IMHO.
+Quite sad overall, if you ask me, and much room for improvements.
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+So if noone volunteers and ensures to keep it updated for stable distros,
+i'm gonna drop it from cauldron next week, before it's too late.
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+PS: IMHO, we didn't promise to people &quot;we will maintain this collection of
+software eternally&quot; this is just not realistic and not possible, but we promised
+stable packages of a good quality. Neither is fulfilled in this case.
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