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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+ <I>Thu Mar 22 12:18:30 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:31:04AM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22 March 2012 09:49, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If your comment starts off with a:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;You're playing with words here, task-gnome can be replaced by&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while my intention is well meaning and not &quot;playing with words&quot;, then I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my first thought is not anywhere near constructive.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The bugreport was opened about KDE. I gave a solution for KDE. Instead I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get accusations about playing with words. I care about GNOME and giving
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a full experience. If people want a more minimal install to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; detriment of GNOME, then I don't like it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have 0 interest in getting more accusations about &quot;doesn't care&quot;. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gave up maintainership because of the tone, allowing you to do whatever.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That this is still not good enough, blergh!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My phrasing wasn't the best one, I can agree with that.
+</I>&gt;<i> But you did closed the bug as WONTFIX b/c I wrote &quot;task-gnome&quot; instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of &quot;task-gnome-minimal&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you can admit this wasn't fair, can't you?
+</I>
+I already closed it before your comment about task-gnome. The comment
+you gave before (comment 3) was only about why it was added
+historically. You even quoted the original reason for adding it:
+|<i> without Seahorse, there's no way to manage your gnome-keyring passwords
+</I>
+The bug was raised because of KDE, I was looking at it from that point
+of view. You care about a minimal install, but that was not what the bug
+was reported for nor what I was thinking about.
+
+I closed it with because to me, if you don't want GNOME things in KDE,
+then don't put GNOME things in CAT_KDE. And &quot;totem-mozilla&quot; is to me a
+GNOME thing, not GTK thing. The WONTFIX is because for this specific
+bugreport (KDE install having GNOME stuff), the problem is
+&quot;totem-mozilla&quot; in KDE.
+
+That this suggests also has an affects the minimal install, ok, but the
+dependency was added (according to your comment) 1.5 years ago. So if
+this dependency was ok 1.5 years ago, why not now? (read on before
+replying please:)
+Now if in those 1.5 years things changed (dependency changes, etc) and
+this dependency now suddenly affects the minimal install, then yeah, I
+think moving the suggests somewhere else makes sense.
+
+But I didn't close it because of the minimal install. Only because of
+looking at what it was filed for: KDE dependency problems.
+
+Every time I touch task-gnome-minimal there is a huge discussion that
+the change is somehow bad/imperfect/something. I don't like that. I mean
+well and if task-gnome-minimal causes loads of complaints, then anything
+related to it I rather avoid.
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
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