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But he's packager of one of the offending +packages, and so inherited part of mdv heritage. +So I wrote a bug about it in order to pull maintainers in. + +Every packager should be made aware of Implications of: +- suggests +- library requiring the tools they were created for + +It's easy to add a suggest ("hey it'll just make the user experience better"), +but eventually the suggested package can start a cycles that will pull +quite a lot more packages. + +See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4357#c5">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4357#c5</A> +systemd was initially pulling: +- the whole gtk+ stack, +- openldap, +- avahi, +- gamin, +- fuse, +- colord, +- gnome-keyring, +- seahorse, +- dirmngr +- python + +And none of it (but python) has actually to do with systemd. +It was just that required library actually suggest or requires another one +which also suggested or required ... + +Everyone should be concerned about that. + +I've broke some requires/suggest cycles, but I cannot do it alone, +everyone should contribute (and also should try not to introduce +new ones) + +I think that some of those "comfort" suggests should be moved +from some low level library or tool package to task-<desktop> +packages. + +Thus no I won't fix every issue. +People have to test install and have to get interested in reducing +size of install. +This is not a personal attack against Olav that does a good job. +That means for everyone to get in the implications of requires & +suggests. +Not looking only at that particular package but at the global view, +the installed system. + +Not all suggests will bloat installing from DVD as some won't make +it into the DVD image. But some will b/c they're required by other +packages and thus will succeed in being suggested. + +Minimal install won't be as perfect as installing basesystem with urpmi +because of installer also pulling packages needed for HW (eg: LVM, +SMP, bluetooth, ...) + +At least for mga2, it's has been reduced. +But it could be more. + +Also installing a desktop (GNOME & KDE) is huge these days. +Something should be made about it. +Maybe splitting task-{gnome,kde}-networking and the like and moving +them under CAT_NETWORK, CAT_OFFICE, CAT_GAMES, CAT_INTERNET, +CAT_MULTIMEDIA and the like in rpmsrate. + +But this is the job of everyone. +Not just me. + +My 2 cents +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="013357.html">[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="013364.html">[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#13363">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#13363">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#13363">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#13363">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |