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I replaced it with +</I>><i> suggests for the splitted packages to ensure that gnome-screenshot (the +</I>><i> bug) as well as the other replacements would be installed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Or do you mean that above webpage is wrong? Could be, didn't really +</I>><i> check that thoroughly what packages replaced gnome-utils. +</I> +I means your log messages isn't what you've done. +You'ven't add any require or suggest on gnome-utils but on a number of +new gnome packages. +Your log messages should describe that. + not tha + +>><i> 2) Also as those are suggests, they'll never end on the install DVD, +</I>>><i> thus defeating +</I>>><i> " ensure gnome-utils is installed" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I have asked many times about task-gnome and task-gnome-minimal and +</I>><i> everyone has their own definition. I've asked various times if the +</I>><i> "GNOME" option in the installer could please reflect "GNOME", and not +</I>><i> some weird cut-down version of it called "task-gnome-minimal", but +</I>><i> haven't gotten very far with that. +</I> +I'm not speaking about task-gnome*, I'm writing about the fact you're +using suggests tags and thus that those packages will never land +on the install DVDs. + +><i> I don't want to step on toes and just ignore the "task-gnome-minimal" vs +</I>><i> "task-gnome", etc (I still don't get why we have -minimal; I also don't +</I>><i> see why we have task-gnome though.. seems that not even Nautilus would +</I>><i> be installed), so I added Suggests instead. +</I> +Again offtopic. + +><i> I don't really see any difference between either having the +</I>><i> gnome-screenshot as a Suggests in task-gnome (which the installer +</I>><i> doesn't install, it looks at task-gnome-minimal) or as Suggests in +</I>><i> task-gnome-minimal (which won't end up on the DVD apparently). +</I>><i> If task-gnome-minimal is "not to be touched" and task-gnome is not +</I>><i> installed by the installer.. what am I to do to fix bugs? Suggests seems +</I>><i> like the only option. Furthermore, I've also added a gnome-screenshot +</I>><i> Suggests to gnome-shell. +</I> +Again this is offtopic, a suggests will just not be present on install DVDs +What'more, the logical place is task-gnome*, not gnome-shell. +gnome-shell doesn't need this package, it works without. +If the GNOME desktop needs it in order to work, then it should be required +by task-gnome, not by another gnome-shell. + +><i> IMO mga#4903 was an avoidable bug. As bugs are discovered on resulting +</I>><i> dependency problems, I want to fix every case. To me it seems the wrong +</I>><i> way to deal with this, but I rather raise "-minimal" strangeness after +</I>><i> Mageia 2 release so I can point at the resulting bugs. +</I> +Again my initial message is about that the suggested packages won't ever +land on the install DVDs again. +And we should stop bloating the net install with suggests at all the +stages of the stack. +I have to break many suggests (or requires for what matters) cycles that +resulted in us having a minimal install of 800Mb with X11. + +Obviously gnome-shell doesn't need this package in order to run, so +it should not be suggested by gnome-shell. +If we want a better GNOME experience, it should be done in task-gnome. +If some people objects bloating task-gnome*, disscuss with them +instead of hidding those suggests lower in the statck... +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="012988.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-gnome-3.3.2-8.mga2 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="012990.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release task-gnome-3.3.2-8.mga2 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12989">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12989">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12989">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12989">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |