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Can people just tell me where they have +seen their interpretation of freeze, cause I have read the one I posted +twice, I still think it correspond that what i just said. + +><i> There was a communication effort to announce the freeze: I read freeze +</I>><i> announce, was present at the last packager meeting. However it didn't struck +</I>><i> me, it all looked like the usual end of release cycle, with their common-sense +</I>><i> exceptions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A message such as "contrarily as what happened in the past" (this is the +</I>><i> important part, highlight a *change*), "there will be no exception even for +</I>><i> leaf non-critical packages, so that you all focus on bugfixes, as we know that +</I>><i> otherwise you will not fix bugs and continue updating your packages". +</I> +I took a look at the archives for the last round ( ie mageia 1 ), thanks +to evolution. Since people were upset because this exception should have +been granted, I assumed that the same type of exception would have been +granted in the past numerous times ( I mean, if people didn't remember +the mail saying "this would not be granted", that's likely because we +granted it several time, enough time to have people totally forget what +was posted in the first place ). + +I found exactly 1 package that not at least saying "that's a bug fix +release", "this fix a CVE", "it fix upgrade"., ie all reasons that were +announced "we would likely let this pass". + +It was alienarena on 06/05/2011, and it was pushed by boklm around 2h +after the mail was sent. + +That's the only one I can find that was not corresponding at the +criteria we laid out for being a regular exception ( cf url given sooner +), but it was still granted. We trusted boklm as well as others to +choose, so he did. But still, if we look at the list given before ( and +since no one answered at all and no one complained later, I assumed that +everybody agreed, especially since this was based on common sense ), it +was said "it would likely not pass". + + +So if there wasn't others ( and I will assume that's the case unless +someone show others examples that I could have missed ), we can see that +the whole "but it was granted last time" assumption is either based +on : +- 1 single rpm being a exception that would have been refused and that +wasn't ( ie, a weak example ) +or : +- based on a different "last time" than last year ( and then why did no +one complained last year is left as a exercise ) +or : +- based on different perception of what type of exception were granted +last time, perception that doesn't align with the reality of the +archives I checked. + +But so far, I think that we are basically and roughly coherent when +compared to the last freeze period. Therefore, I do not see the need to +communicate a change when there was in fact no changes on the side of +the policy. And sorry, I cannot communicate to say that what people +remember do not correspond to what was done. + +And we can see that as tmb said, the problem is not that granting would +disturb the distribution, but that granting once for a minor package +would lead to the same type of lengthy and heated discussion as we are +having now, but for each packages. The more complex the rules are, the +more discussion and the more problem we will have to solve. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="012946.html">[Mageia-dev] [Freeze] please let in xonotic +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="012961.html">[Mageia-dev] [Freeze] please let in xonotic +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12953">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12953">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12953">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12953">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |