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However it didn't +</I>>><i> struck +</I>>><i> me, it all looked like the usual end of release cycle, with their +</I>>><i> common-sense +</I>>><i> exceptions. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A message such as "contrarily as what happened in the past" (this is the +</I>>><i> important part, highlight a *change*), "there will be no exception +</I>>><i> even for +</I>>><i> leaf non-critical packages, so that you all focus on bugfixes, as we +</I>>><i> know that +</I>>><i> otherwise you will not fix bugs and continue updating your packages". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Best regards +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Samuel +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I can only chime in with Stormi, in last packager meeting ennael +</I>><i> said that new packages would be allowed during the freeze, +</I>><i> but we should focus on bug fixes, which is comprehensible. +</I>><i> Also misc didn't say anything that new packages are disallowed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So when did this change and who changed it? Or is it just that the +</I>><i> reason given for xonotic was not enough? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm just asking in advance, because i've not gotten around to properly +</I>><i> testing qtsixa, which i wanted to add for Mageia 2 and to resolve +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3362">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3362</A> +</I>><i> Because i didn't want to import it untested, and another problem +</I>><i> is that i can't spare a physical cauldron installation, which made +</I>><i> testing a lot more difficult, it's not in Mageia yet. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also what about adding hardware support as e.g. needed for +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4249">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4249</A> ? +</I>><i> Also disallowed? +</I> + +Without wanting to cause any problems, I think think this particular +issue has gotten a little out of hand. + +Policy is there for a reason, and we all accept those reasons. We also +accept that rules are made to be broken and I think it can sometimes be +said that strict adherence to policy can often be forgone for reasons of +diplomacy and based on risk vs. reward. + +During the mga1 freeze phase, there were was certainly a more relaxed +approach and I don't think it did any harm, rather the opposite. And by +"harm" I mean both to the quality of the distro and to the community at +large. + +While I don't personally give two hoots about this package, I suspect +(and this is just my guess) that misc would have probably pushed the +package if he'd known it would have caused such a blow out, to avoid the +general hassle (but the same would not be true if the package had been a +more core package). Again this is just my suspicion. + + +However, I do feel we need to be more generally open to freeze pushes. +The justification in this case, IMO, was sufficient and in line with the +previous interpretations of policy we have expected in the past, but I +completely respect misc if he still disagrees. + +But, please let's all try not get too worked up about this either way. + +I'm now going away to try and work out how I can word my freeze push +request regarding PulseAudio... (only made possible by new kernel) :p + +Col + + +-- + +Colin Guthrie +colin(at)mageia.org +<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A> + +Day Job: + Tribalogic Limited <A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A> +Open Source: + Mageia Contributor <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> + PulseAudio Hacker <A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A> + Trac Hacker <A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="012941.html">[Mageia-dev] [Freeze] please let in xonotic +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="012987.html">[Mageia-dev] [Freeze] please let in xonotic +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12943">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12943">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12943">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12943">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |