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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Tue Jan 24 16:33:47 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>John Balcaen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/24 Olav Vitters&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 01:09:02PM +0100, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Total gain on boot.iso: -23Mb (57.5%) on x86_64 (less on i586)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yay, more space for GNOME! (my interest :P)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nice work :)
+
+&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently we also need a way to fix our iso creation :
+</I>&gt;<i> for example on Mageia DVD 1 there's 4703 packages available for a size
+</I>&gt;<i> of 3.7 Giga while Alpha 3 is providing only 4208 packages for a size
+</I>&gt;<i> of 4Gb ... so we're using more space for less packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> For kde's part we've got already some bug reports reporting missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages that where only suggests before (yes misc i agree that
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests is not the right way to add stuff but since they are not
+</I>&gt;<i> *required* to work a kde session there's no reason to add them as
+</I>&gt;<i> requires)&amp; available in previous Mageia 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can of course add them as requires on the task-kde package but i
+</I>&gt;<i> think we should first start what we want to provides by default with
+</I>&gt;<i> our task.
+</I>&gt;<i> What should task-minimal requires ? just the desktop ? an irc client ?
+</I>&gt;<i> a web client (well here firefox is the default one) a mail client ?
+</I>&gt;<i> etc etc
+</I>&gt;<i> Enabling suggests on bcd configuration is certainly a no go because
+</I>&gt;<i> we're already @ 4Go for dvd iso so part of the problem could probably
+</I>&gt;<i> be fixed in the task- packages&amp; after we can probably still add some
+</I>&gt;<i> packages on the configuration.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>for task packages, I think a good presentation on installation would be
+something like this :
+
+[]-+-- () all required packages
+ ()-internet
+ | [] firefox - description
+ | [] browser2 - desc
+ | [] thunderbird - desc
+ | [] email client2 - desc
+ | [] iceape/seamonkey - desc
+ ()-office suites
+ | [] libreoffice - desc
+ | [] office suite2 - desc
+ []-other group 1 (can be all selected)
+ | [] option1 - desc
+ | [] option2 - desc
+ ()-other group 2 (selectable one at a time)
+ [] option1 - desc
+ [] option2 - desc
+ ...
+
+Notes:
+- each package not on the dvd would be noted as such.
+This should make it easier to deal with more limited space on the dvd.
+- () is to open to see more detail, but not a point of selection.
+- [] is a check box for selection, which includes the options to the
+right/below.
+So clicking the top/left box would select everything.
+- packages already installed would be shown dim (if shown at all).
+- the optional packages would be &quot;suggests&quot;.
+
+The idea is that any time a task package is selected, the same
+presentation would appear, showing what is already installed, and that
+deselecting an installed item would lead to its' uninstallation.
+
+Not an original idea, since some larger Ms-based apps (at least used to)
+do this.
+Except that in Linux, packages are generally less self-contained and
+more interdependant, so this schema would be more advantageous here.
+It would give users a lot easier control over what is installed.
+It could be applied to some non-task packages as well.
+
+One advantage of this is that we could have only one task-kde, one
+task-gnome, etc.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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