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But i'm not the maintainer. +</I>><i> >>>> +</I>><i> >>>> Why not? +</I>><i> >>>> * Since fx10 all non-binary extensions are compatible by default +</I>><i> (so our +</I>><i> >>>> main problem goes away). +</I>><i> >>>> * fx10 in 6 months is dead old for users POV. Many unhappy users. +</I>><i> Lower +</I>><i> >>>> popularity for Mageia. (Ubuntu AFAIK is going with fast schedule). +</I>><i> >>>> * We will miss too many new and cool features. +</I>><i> >>>> * When we release +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> We could say the same about any other software. Firefox was an +</I>><i> exception +</I>><i> >>> on updates policy because there was no other choice. But there's no +</I>><i> >>> reason to keep it as an exception when they provide a supported +</I>><i> version. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> With 12 months support more often than not it would need updating +</I>><i> in the +</I>><i> >> lifespan of the Mageia 9 month release anyway. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Firefox is one of those programs that people like to be bang up to date +</I>><i> >> with. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > All softwares are one of those programs. The only one that some non +</I>><i> > technical users do not want to be updated are those that they do not +</I>><i> > know, like glibc, python, perl. But still, there is people that want it +</I>><i> > up to date, so firefox is nothing special. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> It is 'bragging rights' to ship with the latest and something +</I>><i> >> reviewers always give version numbers of along with libreoffice, +</I>><i> kde, gnome. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Sure, and we neither update libreoffice, kde, gnome or the linux kernel. +</I>><i> > Some people do ( kde is upated by Fedora, as well as the linux kernel ). +</I>><i> > So that's a consistency issue, about what we promise to users. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Stability is just that, stuff that do not have interface changes every 6 +</I>><i> > weeks, stuff that do not have slight mistranslation everytime string +</I>><i> > change, stuff that do not risk breaking software after every updates. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> I understand the arguments to go with the 12 months support but I think +</I>><i> >> for the reasons above we should stick with the normal release cycle or +</I>><i> >> maybe even offer both? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Offering both would mean to double our workload of supporting firefox, +</I>><i> > and have no advantages by using the long supported release. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And that's rather useless from my point of view, if the goal is to +</I>><i> > reduce the workload. There is already enough work to support the +</I>><i> > distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My meaning was that it isn't just general software. As I said, it is one +</I>><i> of those packages that reviewers quote version numbers and users expect +</I>><i> to be updated. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IMO we should be on the latest version but I really do understand the +</I>><i> arguments against it so I understand why you disagree :) +</I>><i> ----(previous post) +</I> +><i> This really doesn't make sense. The browser is our interface to the +</I>><i> internet. I (as a user) feel a need to have the latest version of my +</I>><i> browser complete with all security patches. I really couldn't care +</I>><i> less if I have the latest gnome or kde. Surfing the net using a +</I>><i> browser with known security issues bothers me. I think this is why so +</I>><i> many people consider firefox to be an exception to the rule. Where +</I>><i> most software that is older is considered to be more stable, when +</I>><i> talking about a browser it is generally the opposite. It would be nice +</I>><i> to at least give the users a choice, maybe have the LTR version as +</I>><i> well as the latest release available. I have seen other distros +</I>><i> provide chrome stable, testing, and unstable. Allowing the user to +</I>><i> choose which version they are most comfortable with. +</I> +Wait. +A long-term release version is kept updated for bugs, particularly +security bugs, but doesn't add new features. +Since it doesn't add new features, it is less likely to introduce new +bugs, and so would be more secure. +(That is why, in case you haven't noticed, that Firefox has more +security issues than Seamonkey, which is one step behind Firefox in +adopting new features.) + +So if you want a stable, secure browser, prefer among Mozilla browsers +the Firefox long-term release, or for more stable, Seamonkey. + +For the minority of users who want the latest features, despite the +greater risk, like the cauldron of Mozilla, it is easy to download the +latest Firefox release, direct from upstream. (It will be available +there at least a week sooner.) +Upstream Firefox by default warns when the latest update is available. + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011338.html">[Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR <= we should totally go for this wrt stable releases +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011347.html">[Mageia-dev] FireFox ESR <= we should totally go for this wrt stable releases +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11339">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11339">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11339">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11339">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |