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And if you doubt that +</I>><i> bugs appear, just see our bugzilla. +</I>><i> We trust upstream ( most of them ), and yet there is bugs. +</I> +No, they're not totally unrelated when we don't have the man power to +do through QA on every package, we need to trust on the packager (and +upstream of course) that he did his best to test the new version +without expecting him to have tested all the new features, Or do you +expect that a QA member get a list of all the new features of a +backport and start testing them one by one ? that's what I call +unrealistic in practice. + +><i> +</I>>><i> If you think that all version backports should be tested in the same +</I>>><i> way as updates by QA, then all versions upgrades in cauldron should be +</I>>><i> tested by QA before pushing them to the BS right ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, they should be tested before being put in the stable release. And +</I>><i> that's exactly what we do by freezing and testing before release. +</I>><i> +</I> +Of course but again, we can't test *all* the new features of *all* the +programs that are going to a new release, we do our best for most of +them. Critical components like installer, kernel, drak* tools, etc +need more testing and that's where (our very small team) QA should +spend their time after a freeze. The rest we have to do our best to +test after each version update of a package. + +>><i> why risk for a bug +</I>>><i> on a program when updating to a new mga version and not when doing a +</I>>><i> backport ?, it's exactly the same situation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That was already extensively discussed in the past, but if we do the +</I>><i> same stuff than in Mandriva, we will end with the same result than in +</I>><i> Mandriva. +</I>><i> - people don't test backports, because that's not mandatory +</I>><i> => some bugs slips. +</I>><i> +</I> +Of course and that will also happen when updating packages during the +development cycle of cauldron. Yes, we do freeze to be able to test, +but we cant test every new feature of all applications. We test the +most critical stuff which we can't risk to have bugs (and they also +slip some times). + +><i> +</I>><i> In the end, users complain that distribution is broken, and that impact +</I>><i> our image. We cannot tell "do not mix", because we cannot tell them to +</I>><i> update backports without fear, as that would be lying. And in the end, +</I>><i> saying "this is not supported, but we offer to you" is just sending a +</I>><i> confusing message. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we start to give low quality stuff as Mageia, people will just think +</I>><i> Mageia is low quality. +</I>><i> +</I> +Users will complain anyway, they will complain because there aren't +backports of their favorite application or because a backported +version has a bug, so we need to find a balance between those two. +Expecting to do the same amount of testing to a backport will put too +much burden on QA and will make the process of backporting a version +too slow for the users. So we need to have more lax tests for +backports, enough to guarantee that the application works for it's +main features and doesn't put too much burnden on QA, than for updates +which need to gurantee that a bug is really fixed. How to define which +should be those tests ? that's the issue as I see it. We could have a +"backports team" thought, that would do QA for backports without +taking time from the updates QA team... + +Also the other problem is the third-party repos which brings lots of +problems because packages are of low quality and don't follow our +standards, and if we don't have our own backports and move fast enough +users will continue to use those third-party repos, which will also +bring the "Mageia is of low quality" problem. + + +-- +Juancho +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011244.html">[Mageia-dev] please stop doing "bugs" for updating magia 1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011271.html">[Mageia-dev] please stop doing "bugs" for updating magia 1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11253">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11253">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11253">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11253">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |