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Solbu kirjutas: +</I>>><i> On Friday 06 January 2012 18:54, Balcaen John wrote: +</I>>>><i> I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from +</I>>>><i> your system +</I>>><i> I did not. I should have been more clearly with my example. :-)= +</I>>><i> The packages in my example where all console program, that I +</I>>><i> installed and removed using urpm[ie]. So I explicitly removed only +</I>>><i> the one program I just installed. And it did not install any other +</I>>><i> packages, as a result of dependencies. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And this is my point. We uninstall a specific program, not a +</I>>><i> meta/task package, which result in some packages beeing marked as +</I>>><i> orphaned, when they are infact Not orphaned. +</I>><i> Give us command line example. Install something and remove it and then +</I>><i> show me what got orphaned if it wasn't orphan before. What you claim +</I>><i> here doesn't sound right as i haven't seen it myself. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Sander +</I> +It is not exactly the same thing, but in more than one occasion when I +installed packages with similar functions at the same time, to compare +them, say A, B, and C, and later uninstalled B and C, I have found A to +be declared an orphan. Only to find that it had been required by one of +the others. +(I often prefer command-line packages. It is simple to add them to the +menu if I want. And I have often enough made such comparisons. To be +fair, I haven't done much of that since installing Mageia, when it first +became available.) + +Really though, we should consider how people work with installing software. + +The auto-orphans option and how it currently works is based on the +assumption that if package A is installed as a requirement of package B, +that on uninstalling B, one will want to uninstall A. That to me is a +false premise. +It is likely to be the case, but not necessarily. +Generally users will use the graphic installer (rpmdrake), as it is more +convenient. When the question of orphans is presented, if it is +presented, one should be presented with the same options that are +presented on installation with required packages. That is, to be able +to query the description ("more info") of the associated packages, and +thus readily make an informed decision of what to remove. +As well, the message should be that the orphaned packages "may" be no +longer useful, instead of saying that they can be safely removed. +Sure, in terms of not being strictly required by other packages, they +can be safely removed, but if I had always followed the auto-orphan +advice, I would have uninstalled gnome on more than one occasion. +(Which is my usual desktop environment.) + +What is more important is what is needed for the user to be able to use +their computer as they wish, with the packages providing the functions +they wish. In that sense, auto-orphans does indeed break systems. + +My 2 cents :) + +-- +André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011066.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011069.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11068">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11068">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11068">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11068">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |