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+ <B>Thomas Spuhler</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .">thomas at btspuhler.com
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+ <I>Fri Jan 6 15:19:54 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On Friday, January 06, 2012 05:16:59 AM Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2012/1/6 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012/1/6 Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 6 January 2012 12:27, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This is a well known issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; To clear out the list you need a deep knowledge of the system to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; determine which packages are really not needed anymore.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Lately this --auto-orphans line shreddered my whole system on a fresh
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; install after the first update, several system services could not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; start at next reboot, applications did not run, etc. One of the very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; few times I had to re-install because of a bug. Call me newbie or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; pussy but until this is not a secure function I will never touch it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; again.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This is just a bogus claim:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; requires...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, right, I'd not remove such packages manually - they were marked
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as orphans and removed by the function - which is my claim.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To make it clear - my claim is that the orphan function marked
+</I>&gt;<i> packages as orphans which are needed and which I'd never remove
+</I>&gt;<i> manually. If you have a list of 100 &quot;orphans&quot; it is next to impossible
+</I>&gt;<i> for a normal user to sit down and check each and every package if it
+</I>&gt;<i> is really an orphan (orphan in the sense of &quot;not needed&quot;).
+</I>+1
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+Best regards
+Thomas Spuhler
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