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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/2/20 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 05:49:49PM +0100, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/2/20 Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I have the GNOME view on the world: why have distribution specific tools
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if you can configure it from GNOME itself. That said, GNOME usually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; focusses on the very basic options.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh yes, We are GNOME, is there really a world besides?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Most systems with this view of the world went down the drain :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean like Microsoft Windows? :P
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Besides this more philosophical/historical view there is a technical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> background for my opinion, see my first point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, and I (as usual) disagree. You see GNOME as a desktop environment,
+</I>&gt;<i> where it should not touch anything that might be part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution.
+</I>
+Yes, I agree to the way it is described on the gnome.org website:
+&quot;The GNOME Project was started in 1997 ..... Their aim: to produce a
+free (as in freedom) *desktop environment*.&quot;
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+Or on wikipedia (which I care less about but describes exactly what I mean):
+&quot;GNOME is a desktop environment and graphical user interface that runs
+on top of a computer operating system.&quot;
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+&gt;<i> where it should not touch anything that might be part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution.
+</I>
+Not exactly what I wrote. I wrote &quot;system&quot; (as in &quot;operation system&quot;),
+not distribution. I don't care what distribution or what desktop one
+uses (as long as he uses Mageia!).
+
+But let's take Mageia as example: It consists of 2 parts: the
+operating system and the desktop. The operating system is common for
+all Mageia users while for the desktop the users can choose one of
+many (including different window managers) or even none at all, an
+xterm would do. This means that settings of the operating system
+(screen resolution, networking, software management, sound system,
+user management, etc.) should be done by tools common to all Mageia
+users and installed by default, no matter which desktop environment
+the user selects during installation.
+
+Besides, each desktop environment having its own setting tool for
+these system functions would be an unnecessary redundancy and could
+even cause conflicts if the same functions can be set with a system
+tool (such as the draktools) and a tool of the desktop environment
+(such as GNOME system-settings or the KDE equivalent). Lately we had
+some cases in the forum where a user complained that he had switched
+something off in the MCC but it remained unchange, until he was told
+he had to switch it off in the GNOME system settings as well (or
+similar situations).
+
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+wobo
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