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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 f&#233;vrier 2012 &#224; 12:19 +0000, Pa&#239;ou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at ...</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't see the reason for this answer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Michael is just trying to make sure, we don't have a unmaintained major DE.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, some maybe a bit harsh words on the developer mailing list - this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is no user support list or forum or whatever - are far better, then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having something like xfce unmaintained.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; After all, what makes users run away: some not all that courteous mails
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on the -dev ml, whose existence they may or may not be aware of or a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perhaps buggy, not updated, unmaintained desktop?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if we keep a whole DE unmaintained in the repos, what does that say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about overall package quality?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, you are right. Sorry.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wish ardently that Xfce remains maintained.
+</I>
+I guess lots of people do. But history shown this is not enough.
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+Let's suppose we keep xfce, despites being unmaintained. When people
+report bugs, they will have no or few answers. They will not like and
+complain. Maybe more than with a maintainer, maybe they will not care.
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+When there will be bugs, no one will step to fix them. So people who try
+this will either say &quot;this DE is buggy&quot;, or &quot;this distribution is
+buggy&quot;.
+Then, likely sooner or later, someone will say &quot;the DE work fine on
+AnotherDistribution&quot;, so people will think &quot;the distribution is buggy&quot;
+and switch to AnotherDistribution.
+
+While the outcome look the same ( ie, people leaving because there is no
+package, or leaving because it is not working ), in one case, they will
+switch by thinking &quot;the distribution is not having what I want, but the
+rest was working&quot; and will not badmouth us. In the other case, they will
+think &quot;the distribution is buggy&quot;, and complain.
+
+So how ending like this would help us in the long run ?
+
+Maybe that's just me, but each time I mentioned &quot;I am doing package for
+Mandriva&quot; in the past 5 years, people kept explaining me that they faced
+some bug dating back to mandrake 7.0 time, and that they switched
+distributions and how they now live in a world filled with pink pony
+giving them candy, yadayadayada. Besides being demotivating for me
+( cause my time travel machine is still not working ), this was hurting
+the promotion of Mandriva.
+
+Did someone ever heard &quot;fedora is bad because they didn't ship Xfce at
+the start&quot;. I never did, and I think everybody forgot it. I could surely
+give several example on all distribution of missing packages and people
+forgetting once the issue is fixed.
+
+So people are likely quicker to forget lack of packages than lack of
+quality.
+
+And if we do not have the ressources to achieve quality packages, then
+it is much more saner for us to choose the least damaging solution in
+the long term, ie removing packages.
+
+There was enough complains about Mandriva shipping buggy softwares, and
+if as a community, we cannot increase work done to fix this ( we tried,
+we even put 2 developers together to see if they mate and produce a 3rd
+one to help us ), we do not have much others choice.
+
+&gt;<i> For my part I participate in it as tester,
+</I>&gt;<i> where from my a little bit virulent reaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This place is also, I think, the only place where it is possible
+</I>&gt;<i> to have a dialogue with developers.
+</I>&gt;<i> (except bugzilla, but bugzilla is more specific)
+</I>
+There is lots of place to have a dialogue, be it on irc, in real life
+and so on. And if some of us ( and me the first ) do not go on forums on
+a frequent basis, there is various reasons that were already explained
+in the past
+( <A HREF="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/305365">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/305365</A> ),
+so I can only direct you to my previous answers as it is likely still
+valid ( at least for me ).
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+--
+Michael Scherer
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