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+ <B>Kamil Rytarowski</B>
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+ <I>Thu Feb 16 05:16:00 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 15.02.2012 21:41, Steven Tucker wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>Hello Steven!
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to make comment on the Mentoring system, and hopefully I
+</I>&gt;<i> will convey it, and be interpreted in the best possible spirit.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am glad Kyle has now had an offer to be mentored and by no means
+</I>&gt;<i> wish to stop this or interfere in anyway, however I felt quite
+</I>&gt;<i> deflated when I read the offer to mentor him, and I imagine others
+</I>&gt;<i> would too, so I feel obligated to comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a list on the wiki of people looking for mentors
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Becoming_a_Mageia_Packager#Packaging_apprentice_candidates</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kyle has indeed added his name to the list, however there are 5 people
+</I>&gt;<i> on the list before him, I have been on that list since mid January,
+</I>&gt;<i> and there is someone who has been waiting since late November.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All things being equal, shouldn't preference be given to the top
+</I>&gt;<i> (longest waiting) of the list?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a reason why 5 people get overlooked, and someone who has
+</I>&gt;<i> been waiting 2 days is given a chance?
+</I>There are lot kinds of packages in Mageia (C++, documentation, Java,
+Gnome, KDE, web, kernel, assembler, Perl, Haskell, XFCE4, Ruby, Ocaml,
+...) and usually mentors take these apprentice candidates, where there
+is a common field of shared interests.
+&gt;<i> If we are not as committed/capable/available/desirable can someone
+</I>&gt;<i> please let us know?
+</I>Don't think like that please! As wiki says, the most important is
+enthusiasm! I have seen that even qualified computer scientists cannot
+finish the mentoring process due to lack of enthusiasm (they need to
+dedicate their free time to the project).
+&gt;<i> I have already packaged a program I wrote and want added to Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I wait patiently for a Mentor, just to find the line has been cut.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do I need to constantly have IRC on to be chosen?
+</I>Of course not! It's individual flavour of communication, some people
+prefer IRC, some e-mails, some other ways to communicate.
+&gt;<i> is there some unwritten rules about how to gain a mentor? If so please
+</I>&gt;<i> let me know so I can do these things.
+</I>There is probably one thing &quot;unwritten&quot;, just trying to ping developers
+helps in finding. Kyle was asking several times on IRC for mentor.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope this is taken constructively, I don't wish for the mentoring
+</I>&gt;<i> offer to Kyle to be withdrawn, he sounds like he will be an asset to
+</I>&gt;<i> the packaging team, I do think though that you should consider the
+</I>&gt;<i> list first before making offers. If a person is not suitable, tell
+</I>&gt;<i> them so they can move on, perhaps package for another distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever. Don't just leave them there to rot.
+</I>The truth is simple, we are short of packagers and therefore mentors.
+Everybody with enthusiasm (even without great Unix skills) is welcome.
+
+I have mostly finished my project of the consolidation of spell-checkers
+in Mga, that costed hundreds of commits, and now I feel ready to start
+helping in the mentoring process.
+
+I have proposed to you and to Edward (edge226) to teach you packaging.
+To be clear, after reading your &quot;interests / skills / comments&quot;, I
+decided that I can be a better mentor for you, according to the field of
+interest.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tuxta
+</I>
+Regards and welcome!
+
+Kamil
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