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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20--%20mozilla%20branding%20issues%20--%20was%20%5BSeamonkey%0A%09package%5D&In-Reply-To=%3C4F324668.2090208%40arcor.de%3E"
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+ <I>Wed Feb 8 10:54:48 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Am 08.02.2012 04:59, schrieb andre999:
+&gt;<i> Julien a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Mon, 06 Feb 2012 21:04:05 +0100,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 12.01.2012 16:55, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07.01.2012 18:36, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 16.04.2011 16:05, schrieb Christiaan Welvaart:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pinging again, because nobody replied. This should also be discussed
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> at next packager meeting, together with the situation according the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> branding of other mozilla packages. Because we have branding enabled,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which we shouldn't have as we can't use branding AND have modified builds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (different than upstream tarball)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> without approval of all modifications from mozilla.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For reference, here's the upstream report i was talking about, which i've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recently found again:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555935">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=555935</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> resending because of maintainer mail adress typo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FTR, the Mozilla trademark policy :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">https://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the relevant part :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; Modifications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you're taking full advantage of the open-source nature of Mozilla's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> products and making significant functional changes, you may not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> redistribute the fruits of your labor under any Mozilla trademark, without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mozilla's prior written consent. For example, if the product you've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modified is Firefox, you may not use Mozilla or Firefox, in whole or in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> part, in its name. Also, it would be inappropriate for you to say &quot;based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mozilla Firefox&quot;. Instead, in the interest of complete accuracy, you could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> describe your executables as &quot;based on Mozilla technology&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;incorporating Mozilla source code.&quot; In addition, you may want to read the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussion on the &quot;Powered by Mozilla&quot; logo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In addition, if you compile a modified version, as discussed above, with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branding enabled (the default in our source code is branding disabled), you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will require Mozilla's prior written permission. If it's not the unmodified
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer package from www.mozilla.com, and you want to use our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trademark(s), our review and approval of your modifications is required.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You also must change the name of the executable so as to reduce the chance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that a user of the modified software will be misled into believing it to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a native Mozilla product.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again, any modification to the Mozilla product, including adding to,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modifying in any way, or deleting content from the files included with an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installer, file location changes, added code, modification of any source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files including additions and deletions, etc., will require our permission
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if you want to use the Mozilla Marks. If you have any doubt, just ask us at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com.</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Julien
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The key words seem to be &quot;significant functional changes&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> If we use the Mozilla tarball, and just apply Mozilla patches, we shouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> require any special permission for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> They do say that additionally we would require written permission to compile
+</I>&gt;<i> the source with branding enabled.
+</I>&gt;<i> Since the source tarball can be installed wherever the user wants, only
+</I>&gt;<i> changing the relative locations would potentially be problematic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, I'm in favour of packaging all of Firefox/Thunderbird/Seamonkey,
+</I>&gt;<i> essentially unmodified, and in the extended support versions where available.
+</I>&gt;<i> (Not trying to say that we shouldn't package filerunner separately. Or add
+</I>&gt;<i> security patches not yet added by Mozilla. Both of which would require
+</I>&gt;<i> approval from Mozilla.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The suggested -ESR suffix for extended support releases seems a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i> Alternately, we could tag them with the version, but that would be less evident.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Please get your facts straight, most patches we apply are not mozilla patches,
+and we do significant modifications. And please don't compare this to installing
+the mozilla tarball, this just doesn't fly.
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