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Having something on the +</I>><i> wiki makes things a bit more organized. I've changed the links a +</I>><i> bit so to tell people to look on that page first for important +</I>><i> notices. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * Mageia-mentors mailing list or backup mentors +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It would be good if there was a mageia-mentors mailing list in +</I>><i> which private e-mail to and from the mentors could be cc'ed to so +</I>><i> that all of the mentors would have an overview of what +</I>><i> conversations would happen and there would be a "backup" in case a +</I>><i> mentor goes offline. Alternatively, people could get in a the habit +</I>><i> of having a backup mentor cc'ed that can respond if something comes +</I>><i> up. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It would also be good to change the instruction page with +</I>><i> something instructions like "if you don't hear back from X in three +</I>><i> days, then do Y" +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What happened with me was that I had been packaging a large number +</I>><i> of packages and coordinating things offline with my mentor. I +</I>><i> mentioned that I was packaging cinnamon and then when I was done +</I>><i> (and it was just a minor project), I mentioned that I was done. I +</I>><i> didn't hear back, but that's happened before, and that's not a +</I>><i> problem. The problem was that when I looked on the dev list for +</I>><i> something unrelated, I found out that the cinnamon packages had +</I>><i> been bounced. That wasn't a problem since they had been bounced for +</I>><i> very good technical reasons, which I've been fixing. +</I>><i> Unfortunately, I was reading the e-mail out of context so it looked +</I>><i> to me like some tiny cabal had bounced all my packages for no +</I>><i> reason at all, and so I went ballistic. The most annoying problem +</I>><i> is that no one mentioned it me that there was a technical issue +</I>><i> with cinnamon. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Part of the issue is since I'm new, I don't know the people, and so +</I>><i> I can't tell based on limited information if people are being +</I>><i> reasonable or not. Automatically assuming that people are being +</I>><i> reasonable won't work, because you'll find a lot of groups on the +</I>><i> internet in which people aren't reasonable (i.e. there is a reason +</I>><i> why people are dumping Gnome3 for Cinnamon) and people don't have +</I>><i> the time and energy to find out what's going on, and there is a lot +</I>><i> of "pseudo-reasonableness" out there. Working with a lot of +</I>><i> volunteer groups has made me a little paranoid when someone seems +</I>><i> nice. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For people with a CS bent, a lot of issues that you run into with +</I>><i> coordinating people are the same that you run into in coordinating +</I>><i> CPU/GPU's and doing parallel computing. You can map some of the +</I>><i> issues that I've run into into the "two generals problem". +</I> +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Generals%27_Problem</A> +(It was new to me ;) ) + +Thanks, Joseph, for your effort to improve things :) + +As documenter, I'm glad with the wiki page. + +Also as documenter, I'm wondering whether a mailing list would cause +missing or not completely clear or up-to-date packaging pages in our +wiki to be made or improved faster. + +Even if that wouldn't be the case: having packaging questions and +answers in the mailing list archive, seems a good thing to me. + +As a very incidental packaging trainee, I think if there isn't a +mailing list and my mentor is, e.g., on holiday without internet +connection, it would be best to go to #mageia-mentoring and ask for +assistance there. + +Cheers, +marja + + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) +Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <A HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</A> + +iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJQuyCTAAoJEKWubDMI5nEBDr0H+QH6jZHT0JVLC08Wverskbqd +QyZ4dEmoR4FKx8r274cSclcn6ZZfsz8fPRItu/VsqsFz6XmUUCr3vk3XetTO4Wn1 +PV2jnNlOpOGmv4S/GV6DMgh82QVFM1a2/e6YbQBd+B26AZspvejd//R7D+oAgRgD +my/3GMPr9StslOjPpP8Gts0oWKaPJ4lE5wYPKbpLzGBEC+dfACZIgOV67xtY3bk4 +IVtLyWC0P8jJ9cr70ISfLM8eMCJ5aRqHaACgvxELbmQw2OzOM6o53o8OOzA+Dx96 +P9CUocVqjblohq5N88cUUWE7AQQ7Ea8/b6A2LkTvbvaA96I8/4ut5AaOZic3/1I= +=dEgX +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020467.html">[Mageia-dev] Improving communications +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020469.html">[Mageia-dev] python-tagpy build fail under cauldron +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20471">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20471">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20471">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20471">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |