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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Wed Aug 1 15:00:48 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 01/08/2012 09:31, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 01/08/2012 08:46, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 1 August 2012 05:29, fwang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">buildsystem-daemon at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fwang &lt;fwang&gt; 3-21.mga3:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + Revision: 277136
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - obsolete db5.2 in favour of db5.3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # urpmi --auto-select --keep -vv --debug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installed libreoffice-core-3.6.0.1-1.mga3.x86_64 is conflicting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because of unsatisfied libdb-5.2.so()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> unselecting task-obsolete-3-21.mga3.noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A requested package cannot be installed:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> task-obsolete-3-21.mga3.noarch (in order to keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> libreoffice-core-3.6.0.1-1.mga3.x86_64)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Continue installation anyway? (Y/n)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whoever had the brilliant idea of forcing package uninstallation just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because &quot;they are not supported anymore&quot; deserve a good spanking...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Especially when applied to libraries, whereas shipping them in specific
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> versioned subpackage 'libfication' was meant precisely to avoid this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Morevoer, it's quite ridiculous to focus on removing obsoleted package
+</I>&gt;<i> from end users machines, without first cleaning our own
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure: db5.2 is still present in the subversion repository,
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, removing a package from the distribution should imply:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) removing it from the subversion repository
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) removing it from the master package tree (adding obsoletes tag in
+</I>&gt;<i> any package just for this is overkill)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) eventually removing it from end user machines, provided this last
+</I>&gt;<i> step bring some added value (which is still unproven)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1
+This last point reminds me of the obsoletes of openoffice put in the
+libreoffice spec, when there was no real conflicts and there were some
+differences. So a regression in libreoffice required me to install
+upstream libreoffice so I could install openoffice alongside, to work
+around the regressions when I needed to.
+So definitely no added value.
+These obsoletes are still there.
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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