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Why would they expect to need it ? And +</I>><i> why would they want the hassle of a second ISO, when one is a DVD ? +</I>><i> A much simpler, ergonomic solution is make space (you suggest 60 M) on +</I>><i> the DVD for the necessary drivers. +</I>><i> (That might mean removing 1 or 2 packages that few users would want +</I>><i> anyway.) At least we will have a product much less likely to give a +</I>><i> negative reaction. +</I>><i> Let's face it. The DVD will contain proprietary firmware/drivers +</I>><i> anyway, so why not include all that is necessary for a properly running +</I>><i> system ? +</I>><i> Excluding these drivers just ensures that we will have the reputation of +</I>><i> not supporting all hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If the community really wants to produce a totally free DVD, it should +</I>><i> be called "free for experts" accompanied with a "drivers for free for +</I>><i> experts" CD. +</I>><i> Of course this DVD will have to have a special kernel, compiled without +</I>><i> proprietory firmware/drivers. Otherwise it is just an exercice in +</I>><i> hypocracy. +</I>><i> But that is another question. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then we could call the normal DVD "free with proprietory drivers". +</I>><i> Of course this normal DVD would only include such proprietory drivers +</I>><i> where there is not a reliable open source equivalent available. +</I>><i> We could consider this a sort of "as free as possible in practice" for a +</I>><i> fully working system, in terms of hardware. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (If we go for the alternate DVD solution, the easiest way is to produce +</I>><i> the normal DVD with all the drivers, and just exclude the proprietory +</I>><i> drivers on the other, putting them on the CD. But such as DVD would't +</I>><i> be totally free.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, the Mandriva free DVD lacks some necessary drivers, which is really +</I>><i> a hassle if one doesn't have internet access during install, even for +</I>><i> advanced Mandriva Linux users. +</I> +How about adding an initial check to the installer? + +A "grey list" of hardware wich requires non-free/tainted components would be +created, associating the hardware ID with the package(s) containing the +required components to make it work. +Maybe that list could be created automatically from the packages? +Then the installer check the detected hardware against that list before +asking any other question. +Then if there is some hardware from the list it will check on its current +media if the required packages are available, if so the install can go on +normally, if not the installer inform the user that it is missing some +driver/firmware/something else to support some hardware, then the user could +either: +- immediately add another install media, which would be added to the list of +available media and the check done again +- continue anyway (if the user know that he can go on without that hardware) +- immediately stop the install to go fetch another install media, or an add- +on driver media. + +This way the user does not risk to discover that something doesn't work +after the install, when it may be too late. + +The list could eventually be split between "must have" hardware (network, +maybe some RAID controller?) and "nice to have hardware" (anything that can +be configured after install). + +Maybe it is too late in the development cycle of the first release to have +such a change in the installer. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003751.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003749.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3775">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3775">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3775">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3775">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |