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Why would they expect to need it ? And +why would they want the hassle of a second ISO, when one is a DVD ? +A much simpler, ergonomic solution is make space (you suggest 60 M) on +the DVD for the necessary drivers. +(That might mean removing 1 or 2 packages that few users would want anyway.) +At least we will have a product much less likely to give a negative +reaction. +Let's face it. The DVD will contain proprietary firmware/drivers +anyway, so why not include all that is necessary for a properly running +system ? +Excluding these drivers just ensures that we will have the reputation of +not supporting all hardware. + +If the community _really_ wants to produce a totally free DVD, it should +be called "free for experts" accompanied with a "drivers for free for +experts" CD. +Of course this DVD will have to have a special kernel, compiled without +proprietory firmware/drivers. Otherwise it is just an exercice in +hypocracy. +But that is another question. + +Then we could call the normal DVD "free with proprietory drivers". +Of course this normal DVD would only include such proprietory drivers +where there is not a reliable open source equivalent available. +We could consider this a sort of "as free as possible in practice" for a +fully working system, in terms of hardware. + +(If we go for the alternate DVD solution, the easiest way is to produce +the normal DVD with all the drivers, and just exclude the proprietory +drivers on the other, putting them on the CD. But such as DVD would't +be totally free.) + +BTW, the Mandriva free DVD lacks some necessary drivers, which is really +a hassle if one doesn't have internet access during install, even for +advanced Mandriva Linux users. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003751.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3748">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3748">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3748">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3748">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |