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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003735.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003735.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2884a061a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003735.html @@ -0,0 +1,156 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E77FD.8050305%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003737.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E77FD.8050305%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 00:34:21 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003737.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3735">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3735">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3735">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3735">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/26/2011 01:11 AM, andre999 wrote: +><i> Frank Griffin a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> From what you say, there are not a lot of points of disagreement +</I>><i> between us, on this issue. +</I>><i> We both have contributed to open source for a long time, you +</I>><i> apparently mostly on developement/packaging, myself mostly +</I>><i> translating/ aide in forums, with some contributions to development. +</I>><i> (Currently an apprentice packager.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You find 2 isos a minor inconvenience, but in practice normally +</I>><i> install online, from cooker/cauldron. +</I> +Actually, what I wrote was that I hadn't used ISOs since I discovered +cooker. I used them before that for many years (since about MDV 7.2), +In fact, in the mkcd days, I used to burn all 9 of the 650-700MB CDs +needed to contain the full package set. + +><i> +</I>><i> Myself, I find a single DVD that contains everything I need to get a +</I>><i> fully working system (in terms of hardware/drivers) a major +</I>><i> convenience, and do not have the luxury of the bandwidth necessary to +</I>><i> install from the internet. +</I>><i> I don't know if you have ever installed from Mandriva's 3-cd set, but +</I>><i> juggling 3 cds on installing a package is a hassle that I very much +</I>><i> prefer to avoid. One iso is great. +</I> +Given the state of current technology, if you don't have the bandwidth +to do network installs, then you are understandably at the low end of +the marketing curve, and pretty much have to take what you can find. + +Don't get me wrong, I've been there. I've been an OS/2 enthusiast for +years (actually, decades now), and I know what it is to be on the short +end of the supply curve. And for about a year in 2003, the town I moved +to had no broadband, and I maintained my cooker tree via dialup (god +help us all). + +Through all this, my mindset was that I chose or had had imposed upon me +these restrictions. I bore my Windows friends no animus for the fact +that I had to jump through hoops to either find equivalent apps or run +theirs under emulation in order to interact with others in my office. I +did what I had to do in order to run the system I wanted to run, and I +assure you that juggling a few disks during the install would have been +the least of my worries. + +For you to complain that because you have minimal network access, the +rest of the Mageia community should bend over backwards to avoid your +having to swap a few CDs during install is a pretty hollow argument, in +my opinion. + + +><i> +</I>><i> As well, I appreciate very much the ability to do a complete, fully +</I>><i> working reinstall without internet access. +</I>><i> (To facilitate this, I keep packages installed from sources other than +</I>><i> the DVD in a separate partition.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The single DVD is not only useful for myself. It is handy to promote +</I>><i> Linux as well. Unfortunately, with missing firmware and drivers, the +</I>><i> DVD will not fully work on many systems. And new users prefer a +</I>><i> _single_ iso that just works. Having to juggle isos is a deterant. +</I> +I'm sorry, but I don't accept this argument. It hasn't been so long +since Windows installed from multiple floppies. I would accept that a +new user who had been given the impression that the single DVD was all +he needed would be annoyed if he found that the resulting system didn't +work, but if it is shoved in the user's face that the second ISO is +needed, I very much doubt that even a new user would try to install from +the one ISO and complain about it. + +><i> +</I>><i> On the question of space on the DVD, you must admit that all the +</I>><i> (non-free) firmware and drivers (not already included) would not take +</I>><i> an enormous amount of space. +</I> +And therefore, downloading an ISO for them could be done under dialup, +or even two tin cans and a string. + + +><i> Note that on the Mandriva 2010.2 DVD, for example, the 2 biggest games +</I>><i> take about 100 M and 40 M repectively. +</I>><i> It is simply a matter of priorities. +</I> +This is a completely separate topic. I tried to avoid it, because every +time it surfaces in the cooker ML it results in a flame war between +countless parties all jockeying to get their favorite app on the single +DVD. If you want to jump into this, feel free, but not with me. I +don't care what is or isn't on the primary ISO. + +><i> +</I>><i> In sum, it is easy to understand your point of view, as you don't +</I>><i> (normally) use isos. +</I>><i> Please understand the point of view of those who do, particularly +</I>><i> those who have serious bandwidth restrictions. +</I> +I do understand your point of view, but I don't espouse it to the point +of saying that Mageia should trim its primary DVD or shuffle its +contents just to save people with limited bandwidth having to juggle a +few disks during an install. + + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003737.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3735">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3735">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3735">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3735">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003736.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003736.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ae108230d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003736.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E7E1B.9080704%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003744.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003746.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8E7E1B.9080704%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 01:00:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003744.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003746.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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And +do you expect magazines to include a DVD+CD to please Mageia? What about +all the extra waste and pollution cause by dual media?) just to please the +few ultra-orthodox free software fanatics that seemingly would get allergic +reactions if the main media contained some non-free code (even if it's only +installed upon an informed choice of the user)? + +Putting the non-free firmware on the main DVD should be a no brainer, since +a clear install option is all that's needed to keep the systems of free +software fanatics pure. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003735.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003738.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3737">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3737">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3737">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3737">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003738.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003738.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5fe2ba360 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003738.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8F35BF.6000304%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003737.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003739.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8F35BF.6000304%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 15:03:59 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003737.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003739.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3738">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3738">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3738">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3738">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/26/2011 08:58 PM, Tux99 wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that +</I>><i> work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks? +</I>I guess you must have missed the six or so times I stated that I don't +give a rat's whatever about whether there's one ISO or two. Personally, +I'd say go with one, and if there's a space issue, go to a DL. But +that's a flame war for some other day..... +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003737.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003739.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3738">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3738">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3738">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3738">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003739.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003739.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fede8559 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003739.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C2438.4d8f4f79%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003738.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003740.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C2438.4d8f4f79%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 16:53:48 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003738.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003740.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3739">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3739">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3739">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3739">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Frank Griffin wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 15:03 +><i> On 03/26/2011 08:58 PM, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how +</I>><i> > would that +</I>><i> > work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two +</I>><i> > sticks? +</I>><i> I guess you must have missed the six or so times I stated that I don't +</I>><i> +</I>><i> give a rat's whatever about whether there's one ISO or two. +</I>><i> Personally, +</I>><i> I'd say go with one, and if there's a space issue, go to a DL. But +</I>><i> that's a flame war for some other day..... +</I> +No flame war, but since you were using colourful expressions such as +"bending over backwards" I just wanted to point out that that's even more +so the case with a separate firmware CD to please the more extreme free +software fanatics. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003738.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003740.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3739">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3739">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3739">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3739">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003740.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003740.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..60456de44 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003740.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3Dp3KKBrwj2e5ubJ7GB61BxPTm6f_b0oG3VGHM%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003739.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003741.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%3Dp3KKBrwj2e5ubJ7GB61BxPTm6f_b0oG3VGHM%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 17:11:07 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003739.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003741.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3740">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3740">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3740">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3740">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/27 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that +</I>><i> work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks? And +</I>><i> do you expect magazines to include a DVD+CD to please Mageia? What about +</I>><i> all the extra waste and pollution cause by dual media?) just to please the +</I>><i> few ultra-orthodox free software fanatics that seemingly would get allergic +</I>><i> reactions if the main media contained some non-free code (even if it's only +</I>><i> installed upon an informed choice of the user)? +</I> +Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who +do not share your opinion "ultra-orthodox software fanatics"? Makes me +wonder who is the real fanatic here. + +Oh, BTW: why do you say "the few"? May be you have some figures to +prove which opinion has more "followers"? + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003739.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003741.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3740">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3740">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3740">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3740">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003741.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003741.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..484c943df --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003741.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110327172708.72d845d7%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003740.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003742.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C20110327172708.72d845d7%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 17:27:08 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003740.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003742.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3741">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3741">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3741">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3741">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sun, 27 Mar 2011 17:11:07 +0200 +Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> 2011/3/27 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how would that +</I>><i> > work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now need two sticks? And +</I>><i> > do you expect magazines to include a DVD+CD to please Mageia? What about +</I>><i> > all the extra waste and pollution cause by dual media?) just to please the +</I>><i> > few ultra-orthodox free software fanatics that seemingly would get allergic +</I>><i> > reactions if the main media contained some non-free code (even if it's only +</I>><i> > installed upon an informed choice of the user)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who +</I>><i> do not share your opinion "ultra-orthodox software fanatics"? Makes me +</I>><i> wonder who is the real fanatic here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oh, BTW: why do you say "the few"? May be you have some figures to +</I>><i> prove which opinion has more "followers"? +</I> +I don't know, but GNewSense's popularity (or lack thereof) would be a +start. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003740.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003742.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3741">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3741">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3741">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3741">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003742.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003742.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2237cb9f6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003742.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103271740.42304.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003741.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003745.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C201103271740.42304.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 17:40:41 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003741.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003745.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3742">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3742">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3742">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3742">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> schrieb am 27.03.2011 +><i> 2011/3/27 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > And why should all of us suffer the hassle of a DVD + a CD (how +</I>><i> > would that work for all those that use USB-sticks, do they now +</I>><i> > need two sticks? And do you expect magazines to include a DVD+CD +</I>><i> > to please Mageia? What about all the extra waste and pollution +</I>><i> > cause by dual media?) just to please the few ultra-orthodox free +</I>><i> > software fanatics that seemingly would get allergic reactions if +</I>><i> > the main media contained some non-free code (even if it's only +</I>><i> > installed upon an informed choice of the user)? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people +</I>><i> who do not share your opinion "ultra-orthodox software fanatics"? +</I>><i> Makes me wonder who is the real fanatic here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oh, BTW: why do you say "the few"? May be you have some figures to +</I>><i> prove which opinion has more "followers"? +</I> +By the way: I know, Debian are just a small group of "ultra-orthodox +software fanatics", but that's exactly, what they are doing... +But I admit: Debian is not really caring about newcomers... + +Oliver + +-- +Oliver aka obgr_seneca + +substitute leader - i18n team +substitute leader - web team + +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> - Mageia, the magic continues +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003741.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003745.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3742">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3742">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3742">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3742">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003743.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003743.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..56fe2a5b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003743.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C243b.4d8f5ad4%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003745.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003744.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3C243b.4d8f5ad4%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 17:42:13 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003745.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003744.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3743">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3743">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3743">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3743">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 17:11 + +><i> Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who +</I>><i> do not share your opinion "ultra-orthodox software fanatics"? +</I> +Why? An 'orthodox' is a person who follows his beliefs very very strictly, +'fanatic' has a similar meaning (yeah I know those two words are sort of +redundant but I just wanted to express how extreme the view appears). + +There is no negative connotation, in fact most 'fans' (=fanatics) or people +with 'orthodox' beliefs are proud of it. + +Ultimately it was just a way of expressing how extreme I consider the idea +that free and non-free software on the same physical media would be +unacceptable to them, even if the installation procedure clearly asks the +user whether to install the non-free software or not. + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003745.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003744.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3743">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3743">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3743">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3743">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003744.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003744.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..53042647a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003744.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwEnp4XNo-dhb8oFpK93872DQDDP4yJy4eUNsb%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003743.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003736.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Non-free%20firmwares%20in%20installer&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinwEnp4XNo-dhb8oFpK93872DQDDP4yJy4eUNsb%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 17:47:30 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003743.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003736.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3744">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3744">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3744">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3744">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/3/27 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Wolfgang Bornath wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 17:11 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Do you really think it will help to find a consent calling people who +</I>>><i> do not share your opinion "ultra-orthodox software fanatics"? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why? An 'orthodox' is a person who follows his beliefs very very strictly, +</I>><i> 'fanatic' has a similar meaning (yeah I know those two words are sort of +</I>><i> redundant but I just wanted to express how extreme the view appears). +</I> +Orthodox is neither positive nor negative, correct, it's just a +description of a certain opinion. But "ultra" makes it as unacceptable +as "fanatic", which means sticking to a certain opinion without +seeking any consent with others. + +><i> Ultimately it was just a way of expressing how extreme I consider the idea +</I>><i> that  free and non-free software on the same physical media would be +</I>><i> unacceptable to them, even if the installation procedure clearly asks the +</I>><i> user whether to install the non-free software or not. +</I> +Ok, so I can call you a "ultra-non-orthodox fanatic" by your +definition? 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While I don't think that all (or even +most) Debian supporters are ultra-orthodox free-software fanatics I +certainly believe the core that made that decision is. +You should have added that that decision was quite controversial in the +Debian community. +But Debian is such an 'institution' that they can afford to go against the +mainstream, I don't think Mageia can afford that, certainly not at this +stage. +(and personally I don't see the point) + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003742.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003743.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3745">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3745">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3745">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3745">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003746.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003746.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..14a1dfff9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003746.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinSmn_fa_Xmj1P9zVOKd2RbknbCV9rb14QDfVvH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003736.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003747.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20lxde%20under%20gdm%20%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinSmn_fa_Xmj1P9zVOKd2RbknbCV9rb14QDfVvH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ?">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 18:42:36 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003736.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003747.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3746">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3746">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3746">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3746">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 26 March 2011 18:58, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +>><i> Weird... it worked IIRC. I'll test again with latest cauldron updates. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It looks like X crashes, please check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old... +</I> +you may have better luck in /var/log/gdm/ +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003736.html">[Mageia-dev] Non-free firmwares in installer +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003747.html">[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3746">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3746">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3746">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3746">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003747.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003747.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91200a6f9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110327/003747.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3zkogb7k6.fsf%40blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003746.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20qt3-devel%20needed%20for%20Trinitydesktop%20%28KDE%0A%093.5%09successor%29&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3zkogb7k6.fsf%40blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] qt3-devel needed for Trinitydesktop (KDE 3.5 successor)">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sun Mar 27 23:02:49 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003746.html">[Mageia-dev] lxde under gdm ? 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