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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+ <I>Sat Mar 26 23:37:55 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 26 maart 2011 23:15:22 schreef Oliver Burger:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; schrieb am 26.03.2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't really have a strong preference here, as long as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) it is consistent, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) users are happy (e.g. no situation where even the free radeon
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; driver doesn't work with any ISO)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we have the following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Live CDs (like Mandriva One, including proprietary stuff) (live cds
+</I>&gt;<i> are planned, aren't they?
+</I>&gt;<i> - A purely free, libre and open source installer dvd
+</I>&gt;<i> - An addon cd for the installer dvd containing the firmware, drivers
+</I>&gt;<i> and stuff?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know, if we have those &quot;One-like&quot; live cds, we don't really need the
+</I>&gt;<i> last one, but I'm quite sure, there are more people than me out here,
+</I>&gt;<i> who prefer a normal installer iso over a live cd...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+During the times mandriva had several CDs to install it, the new ones often
+only dl'ed one and complained when stuff didn't work.
+
+I forsee possibly here the same issue with this, people will forget to
+download the extra non_free CD, or do not care about non_free; wipe their
+windows, install mageia, and have no networking to even get drivers anymore.
+
+how would we advertise this anyway? this extra CD contains non_free software,
+but if you have an machine with networking from vendor X with types Y,Z,...
+you will absolutely need this to have functional networking?
+
+it sounds to me like an awful lot of extra work, and complaints, etc...
+
+but, maybe every new person uses liveCDs to install, i never did, so i
+wouldn't know.
+
+pfff, this is really a difficult topic...
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