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+<PRE>Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 23:30:59 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+&gt;<i> On a old computer (Athlon 64, printer epson c82, scanner epson 1650
+</I>&gt;<i> photo, usb wireless keyboard and mouse, ethernet network)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Installation stage (choice kde) :
+</I>&gt;<i> All good but :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Boot loader : no choice, I had to volontary select &quot;configure&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;<i> last summary page . I hope final release will give the choice between
+</I>&gt;<i> MBR and partition.
+</I>
+i'm not sure this is a bug, i didn't ever needed a to choose partition.
+
+can i ask why you would want to have the bootloader in a partition? i mean,
+how are you going to boot into it, if it's not on MBR?
+
+but if you feel it is a bug or missing feature, please file it on our bugzilla.
+
+&gt;<i> -updating the source : ok
+</I>&gt;<i> -updating packages : no because of hald
+</I>
+is this a known thing? can you submit a bug if there isn't one already? or am
+i misunderstanding your remark?
+
+&gt;<i> suggestion : Do you want to copy DVD source on HD ? (something like
+</I>&gt;<i> that)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First boot
+</I>&gt;<i> perfect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Updating :
+</I>&gt;<i> packages are updated but, after, auto-orphans propose to remove 192
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>
+are these mdv build packages? perhaps some of these should be built on mageia,
+perhaps you can find out which you wouldn't want to remove? (or did you
+actually remove them?)
+
+&gt;<i> Printer epson stylus C82
+</I>&gt;<i> is not installed. I use drakconf : errors :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> drakconf
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# &quot;/usr/sbin/mdkapplet-config&quot; is not executable
+</I>&gt;<i> [Updates Configuration] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/mdkapplet-add-media-helper&quot; is not executable [Extended
+</I>&gt;<i> Maintenance] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/bin/drakmenustyle&quot; is not executable [Menus]
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/drakbackup&quot; is not executable [Backups]
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/drakvirt&quot; is not executable [Virtualization]
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/tomoyo-gui&quot; is not executable [Tomoyo Policy]
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;/usr/sbin/drakguard&quot; is not executable [Parental Controls]
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> task-printing-server-2010-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> task-printing-hp-2010-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncipp.py&quot;, line 197, in
+</I>&gt;<i> send_reply
+</I>&gt;<i> handler (self._conn, result)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncconn.py&quot;, line 93, in
+</I>&gt;<i> reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> self._reply_handler (self, self._reply_data, *args)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncconn.py&quot;, line 204, in
+</I>&gt;<i> _subst_reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> reply_handler (self, *args)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/cupshelpers.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> line 602, in _reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> self._client_reply_handler (connection, devices)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1379, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;lambda&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> current_uri))
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1409, in
+</I>&gt;<i> local_devices_reply
+</I>&gt;<i> self.add_devices (result, current_uri)
+</I>&gt;<i> File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1808, in
+</I>&gt;<i> add_devices
+</I>&gt;<i> physdev = model.get_value (iter, 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> TypeError: iter must be a GtkTreeIter
+</I>
+that's definately a bug, can you file it? if you did remove those orphaned
+packages, perhaps it's related to this?
+
+&gt;<i> So no printer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Scanner epson 1650 photo
+</I>&gt;<i> Like in Mandriva : I have to use manual choice, then it runs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Traduction (in drakconf-&gt; printer) is incomplete.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my first feeling.
+</I>
+
+thanks alot for the good test on hardware, this test was really needed.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:03:42 +0100, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 23:30:59 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a old computer (Athlon 64, printer epson c82, scanner epson 1650
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; photo, usb wireless keyboard and mouse, ethernet network)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Installation stage (choice kde) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All good but :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -Boot loader : no choice, I had to volontary select &quot;configure&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; last summary page . I hope final release will give the choice between
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MBR and partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm not sure this is a bug, i didn't ever needed a to choose partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can i ask why you would want to have the bootloader in a partition? i mean,
+</I>&gt;<i> how are you going to boot into it, if it's not on MBR?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+To install on a disk shared with windows, for example. I did that on my
+laptop and also missed the option, but also found it in summary page
+(grub is in sda3, Win7 BCD on /dev/sda, added linux grub with EasyBCD).
+
+If this option is not clearly visible, you can easily wipe windows boot
+menu and many users will be disappointed.
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Software is like sex:
+ \ It's better when it's free
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+<PRE>2011/3/16 Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andresalaun at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Boot loader : no choice, I had to volontary select &quot;configure&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;<i> last summary page . I hope final release will give the choice between
+</I>&gt;<i> MBR and partition.
+</I>
+You have the choice to configure in the summary. That is normal. The
+bootloader will not be installed until after you hit &quot;OK&quot; in the
+summary. It has been like that in Mandriva for quite some time.
+
+&gt;<i> Updating :
+</I>&gt;<i> packages are updated but, after, auto-orphans propose to remove 192
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>
+Same here, as it was a fresh installation I jumped right in and gave
+the command. It did not hurt, I do not see any problems after that.
+
+&gt;<i> drakconf
+</I>
+I also read the error messages. They are caused by tools which are in
+the starter script of drakconf but not (yet) available in Mageia.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>2011/3/17 JA Magall&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If this option is not clearly visible, you can easily wipe windows boot
+</I>&gt;<i> menu and many users will be disappointed.
+</I>
+No, because Mageia grub recognises a Windows installation and adds it
+to the boot menue.
+
+But I agree, although former Mandriva users are aware of this way of
+the installer we should document it clearly, like:
+
+&quot;The bootloader will be configured according to automatic detection of
+available installations on your harddisk. If you want to chack and/or
+change the configuration you can do so by hitting the &quot;Configure&quot;
+button in the summary.
+Note that the bootloader will not be written to the harddisk before
+you leave the summary.&quot;
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:03:42 +0100
+Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> Op woensdag 16 maart 2011 23:30:59 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On a old computer (Athlon 64, printer epson c82, scanner epson 1650
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; photo, usb wireless keyboard and mouse, ethernet network)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Installation stage (choice kde) :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All good but :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -Boot loader : no choice, I had to volontary select &quot;configure&quot; in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; last summary page . I hope final release will give the choice between
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MBR and partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm not sure this is a bug, i didn't ever needed a to choose partition.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> can i ask why you would want to have the bootloader in a partition? i mean,
+</I>&gt;<i> how are you going to boot into it, if it's not on MBR?
+</I>
+Because I have yet a(n) (independant) bootloader and I don't want to
+break it.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but if you feel it is a bug or missing feature, please file it on our bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -updating the source : ok
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -updating packages : no because of hald
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is this a known thing? can you submit a bug if there isn't one already? or am
+</I>&gt;<i> i misunderstanding your remark?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggestion : Do you want to copy DVD source on HD ? (something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First boot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perfect.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Updating :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages are updated but, after, auto-orphans propose to remove 192
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> are these mdv build packages? perhaps some of these should be built on mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps you can find out which you wouldn't want to remove? (or did you
+</I>&gt;<i> actually remove them?)
+</I>They are.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Printer epson stylus C82
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is not installed. I use drakconf : errors :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; drakconf
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">root at localhost</A> ~]# &quot;/usr/sbin/mdkapplet-config&quot; is not executable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [Updates Configuration] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/mdkapplet-add-media-helper&quot; is not executable [Extended
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maintenance] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/bin/drakmenustyle&quot; is not executable [Menus]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/drakbackup&quot; is not executable [Backups]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/drakvirt&quot; is not executable [Virtualization]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/tomoyo-gui&quot; is not executable [Tomoyo Policy]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;/usr/sbin/drakguard&quot; is not executable [Parental Controls]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 823.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; task-printing-server-2010-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; task-printing-hp-2010-2.mga1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Traceback (most recent call last):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncipp.py&quot;, line 197, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; send_reply
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; handler (self._conn, result)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncconn.py&quot;, line 93, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; self._reply_handler (self, self._reply_data, *args)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/asyncconn.py&quot;, line 204, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _subst_reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reply_handler (self, *args)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/cupshelpers/cupshelpers.py&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; line 602, in _reply_handler
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; self._client_reply_handler (connection, devices)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1379, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;lambda&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; current_uri))
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1409, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; local_devices_reply
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; self.add_devices (result, current_uri)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; File &quot;/usr/share/system-config-printer/newprinter.py&quot;, line 1808, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; add_devices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; physdev = model.get_value (iter, 1)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; TypeError: iter must be a GtkTreeIter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's definately a bug, can you file it? if you did remove those orphaned
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, perhaps it's related to this?
+</I>For testing I always accept system proposition.
+
+I fill the bug.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; So no printer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Scanner epson 1650 photo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Like in Mandriva : I have to use manual choice, then it runs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Traduction (in drakconf-&gt; printer) is incomplete.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is my first feeling.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks alot for the good test on hardware, this test was really needed.
+</I>
+
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
+Ne l&#226;chez rien.
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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+<PRE>I noticed a thread in mandriva maintainer mailing list regarding a HALectomy.
+
+So far there's not a lot of program currently linked to hal :
+urpmf --requires libhal.so.1
+lib64gnome-vfs2_0:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+libgphoto-common:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+hal:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+lib64hal1:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+gimp:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+gnome-pilot:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+xfburn:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+lib64synce0:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+lib64rapi2:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+halevt:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+nut-drivers-hal:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+libvirt-utils:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+
+
+Debian &amp; fedora are also working on it cf
+<A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval">http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval</A>
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval</A>
+
+Should we go for it ?
+
+--
+Balcaen John
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+<PRE>On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:03:42 -0400, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> can i ask why you would want to have the bootloader in a partition? i mean,
+</I>&gt;<i> how are you going to boot into it, if it's not on MBR?
+</I>
+I use the gag boot manager in the mbr, and each linux install
+has it's own boot loader in it's / partition.
+
+The reason I do it this way, is that I tend to overwrite
+existing installations, with each install.
+
+If another install has a uuid reference to the overwritten
+install, that other install have problems during boot,
+when it can't find the overwritten uuid, even though none
+of it's filesystems have been altered.
+
+Using a single bootloader, with multiple linux installations,
+with multiple kernels in each, just gets too messy.
+
+Keeping each linux install separate is safer and easier to
+maintain.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+I thought there aren't supposed to be any major changes in Mageia 1?
+
+Removing HAL seem like a major change to me.
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+&gt;<i> I thought there aren't supposed to be any major changes in Mageia 1?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Removing HAL seem like a major change to me.
+</I>Well it does not seems that a lot of applications is using hal so the idea is
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+You mean simply drop Gnome, Gimp, Gphoto, XFburn, Nut, etc. and probably
+not being able to build some other apps that aren't in the Mageia repos
+yet and might require HAL?
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+&gt;<i> You mean simply drop Gnome, Gimp, Gphoto, XFburn, Nut, etc. and probably
+</I>&gt;<i> not being able to build some other apps that aren't in the Mageia repos
+</I>&gt;<i> yet and might require HAL?
+</I>from the link i pasted ealier it seems we can simply rebuild most of them
+without hal support.
+The idea is to simply to do as much as possible to *not* link apps to hal not
+to drop hal from mageia.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean simply drop Gnome, Gimp, Gphoto, XFburn, Nut, etc. and probably
+</I>&gt;<i> not being able to build some other apps that aren't in the Mageia repos
+</I>&gt;<i> yet and might require HAL?
+</I>
+First of all, where did mikala say anything about &quot;dropping right now&quot;?
+
+GNOME and KDE4 already use upower and udisks i.e. they don't require hal at all.
+
+All the apps you picked (from the Fedora page?) can probably work
+without hal, (e.g. I don't have haldaemon running for about 4-5 months
+now, and gimp works OK).
+
+The point is, other major distros have already gone through the
+halsectomy phase, which means we have very rich resources to draw on.
+
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+Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 03:28
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 17 March 2011 04:08, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You mean simply drop Gnome, Gimp, Gphoto, XFburn, Nut, etc. and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; probably
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not being able to build some other apps that aren't in the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repos
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yet and might require HAL?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First of all, where did mikala say anything about &quot;dropping right
+</I>&gt;<i> now&quot;?
+</I>
+Mikala? Why do you mention him?
+
+&gt;<i> All the apps you picked (from the Fedora page?) can probably work
+</I>&gt;<i> without hal, (e.g. I don't have haldaemon running for about 4-5 months
+</I>&gt;<i> now, and gimp works OK).
+</I>
+I didn't pick anything, I simply listed the apps that appear as
+dependencies in Balcaen John's first post of this thread and asked if he
+meant dropping those.
+See here if you missed the earlier emails:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2540">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2540</A>
+
+&gt;<i> The point is, other major distros have already gone through the
+</I>&gt;<i> halsectomy phase, which means we have very rich resources to draw on.
+</I>
+True, but again IMHO this is a major structural change, which AFAIK isn't
+supposed to happen until after Mageia 1 has been released.
+
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+Quote: Balcaen John wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 03:16
+
+&gt;<i> from the link i pasted ealier it seems we can simply rebuild most of
+</I>&gt;<i> them
+</I>&gt;<i> without hal support.
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is to simply to do as much as possible to *not* link apps to
+</I>&gt;<i> hal not
+</I>&gt;<i> to drop hal from mageia.
+</I>
+As long as functionality of the apps isn't affected I think that's ok.
+
+But IMHO we should still keep hal at least in the repos as long as there
+are apps that can't do without hal. Dropping apps just because they
+require hal would IMHO be very user-unfriendly.
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 17 maart 2011 04:32:17 schreef Tux99:
+&gt;<i> Quote: Ahmad Samir wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 03:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 17 March 2011 04:08, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; You mean simply drop Gnome, Gimp, Gphoto, XFburn, Nut, etc. and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; probably
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; not being able to build some other apps that aren't in the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; repos
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; yet and might require HAL?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First of all, where did mikala say anything about &quot;dropping right
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mikala? Why do you mention him?
+</I>
+Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; All the apps you picked (from the Fedora page?) can probably work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; without hal, (e.g. I don't have haldaemon running for about 4-5 months
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now, and gimp works OK).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I didn't pick anything, I simply listed the apps that appear as
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies in Balcaen John's first post of this thread and asked if he
+</I>&gt;<i> meant dropping those.
+</I>&gt;<i> See here if you missed the earlier emails:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2540">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=2540</A>
+</I>
+afaik he meant to drop the hal option from compiling, ie: compile without hal
+support
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; The point is, other major distros have already gone through the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; halsectomy phase, which means we have very rich resources to draw on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True, but again IMHO this is a major structural change, which AFAIK isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> supposed to happen until after Mageia 1 has been released.
+</I>
+I kind of agree with you, but i guess this is why it's proposed here. To see
+who supports it and who doesn't.
+
+personally, if this is as painless as mikala and ahmad think it is, i would
+feel it would be ok, if it was proposed a month ago. Now, i don't know, afaik
+there haven't been alot of distros yet released without hal atm. So even
+though alot of people are behind this, for mageia 1, we do have older versions
+of programs.
+
+I think they are wanting to see if someone can prove them that app X would be
+missing functionality if hal support was removed from now.
+
+but imho, it needs to be tested by non-dev users before something can be
+proclaimed.
+
+Also, i guess it means they don't want to keep supporting it. but imho, mageia
+release 1 isn't so far off anymore and there is still alot of work to be done
+for it. I do give my blessing to drop hal completely after release 1, though.
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+prohibitive[1] at this moment:
+at /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/connection/providers/cellular_extra.pm:910 the
+APN for Greek Vodafone is &quot;internet.vodafone.gr&quot;
+
+But, btw, why do we need all this in Perl?
+Couldn't we keep some more data-like format? The original one, one that is
+used by other tools, or (I say) INI-like or JSON?
+
+PS. remind me to send that to mandriva, too.
+
+[1] don't ever trust the ads about &quot;unlimited internet through your mobile&quot;
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+Quote: Maarten Vanraes wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 07:56
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+&gt;<i> Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+</I>
+Ah ok thanks, people using sometimes real names and sometimes aliases is
+quite confusing...
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah ok thanks, people using sometimes real names and sometimes aliases is
+</I>&gt;<i> quite confusing...
+</I>
+Actually you were the one sponsouring such usage :-) ...
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 mars 2011 21:30:05, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 mars 2011 &#224; 20:34 +0100, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 15 March 2011 20:21
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Because some people do not care about patents and using tainted stuff,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; but do care about free licenses and do care about what it bring to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I do. Stormi do ( or seems to do ). And I think that given we decided
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; split PLF for that precise reason, there is more than 2 of us to care.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Putting tainted packages in nonfree just causes more confusion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; As much as the reverse, it all depends on what you tell to people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the repository, what they expect and what you prefer to highlight.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's exactly why I suggested earlier in this thread that we need an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; additional repo for 'tainted+non-free' packages, that's the only solution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that would satisfy every preference people might have and at the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time make things clear for everyone (packagers, mirror maintainers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of moving stuff in non-free, you move them in non-free +
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted. That just bring more headaches, and more complexity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not a solution.
+</I>
+Well, that would be a real solution if we really wanted to flag those packages
+both as tainted and as non-free, as some people give more importance to the
+fact that it is tainted and others to the fact that it is non-free.
+
+For now, I would propose either to put that package in non-free, explain to
+users that non-free packages may be tainted too, and envision after Mageia 1
+to add a new media if the current solution really doesn't work, and maybe
+require a meta-package from tainted OR put it in tainted, explain that
+tainted can contain non-free packages, and require a dummy package from non-
+free, as Anssi proposed (on a second thought, I think that second option is
+better).
+
+Can we reach a decision ? (add this question to the next packagers meeting ?)
+
+However, as the whole discussion seems to revolve around only one practical
+package, what would be even better would be convince and help upstream to
+solve the licensing issue (if that's feasible).
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+Quote: Thierry Vignaud wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 08:49
+----------------------------------------------------
+&gt;<i> On 17 March 2011 08:18, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ah ok thanks, people using sometimes real names and sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aliases is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; quite confusing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually you were the one sponsouring such usage :) ...
+</I>
+Absolutely not, I always said people should be able to choose alias or real
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+&gt;<i> However, as the whole discussion seems to revolve around only one practical
+</I>&gt;<i> package, what would be even better would be convince and help upstream to
+</I>&gt;<i> solve the licensing issue (if that's feasible).
+</I>
+I just wanted to aks how many packages this really affects. And which ones?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ah ok thanks, people using sometimes real names and sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; aliases is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; quite confusing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually you were the one sponsouring such usage :) ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Absolutely not, I always said people should be able to choose alias or real
+</I>&gt;<i> name, but use whatever they choose consistently!
+</I>
+You said you wanted to use one email for packaging and one for list.
+This is exactly what happens here...
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+Currently Mageia have both scim and ibus in core repository. But
+neither have input method modules available, which means they are not
+really usable right now. (scim and ibus are input method platforms for
+input method modules of different written languages.) Mandriva has
+already begun migration to ibus. I'm wondering if it's planned for
+transition from scim to ibus before the first release of Mageia.
+
+Ubuntu and Fedora both adopt ibus as default input method platform,
+while openSUSE still uses scim in 11.4. Scim development seems stalled
+and there's no newer release than 1.4.9, which was released in april
+2009. Many bugs of scim remain unresolved and is still incresing in
+Mandriva.
+
+Thanks,
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+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+Quote: Thierry Vignaud wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 11:01
+----------------------------------------------------
+&gt;<i> On 17 March 2011 09:15, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mikala is John Balcaen (original poster)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Ah ok thanks, people using sometimes real names and sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; aliases is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; quite confusing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Actually you were the one sponsouring such usage :) ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Absolutely not, I always said people should be able to choose alias
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name, but use whatever they choose consistently!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You said you wanted to use one email for packaging and one for list.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is exactly what happens here...
+</I>
+Huh? What has the email address got to do with the alias or real name?
+
+I don't identify people by email addresses (I doubt anyone does), but by
+the name that's in front of the email address and/or in the signature.
+
+to make it clear: john doe &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jd56 at dfgfgf.cg</A>&gt;
+or with an alias: johnny99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jd56 at dfgfgf.cg</A>&gt;
+
+It's the name that counts not the email address, I thought that's fairly
+obvious and it would be nice if people would always use either the nick
+name or the real name consistently everywhere (ML, IRC, bugtrack, forum,
+etc.)
+
+Email addresses are a commodity with little meaning.
+
+Anyway this is completely off-topic in this thread.
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+Quote: Samuel Verschelde wrote on Thu, 17 March 2011 09:14
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+&gt;<i> Well, that would be a real solution if we really wanted to flag those
+</I>&gt;<i> packages
+</I>&gt;<i> both as tainted and as non-free, as some people give more importance to
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> fact that it is tainted and others to the fact that it is non-free.
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
+&gt;<i> For now, I would propose either to put that package in non-free,
+</I>&gt;<i> explain to
+</I>&gt;<i> users that non-free packages may be tainted too, and envision after
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> to add a new media if the current solution really doesn't work, and
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> require a meta-package from tainted OR put it in tainted, explain that
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tainted can contain non-free packages, and require a dummy package from
+</I>&gt;<i> non-
+</I>&gt;<i> free, as Anssi proposed (on a second thought, I think that second
+</I>&gt;<i> option is
+</I>&gt;<i> better).
+</I>
+Why a temporary solution? The longer we postpone a proper solution the
+messier things will get. Also I really don't like the use of a meta or
+dummy package, that is even messier and confusing for the users.
+
+Since tainted+non-free packages will most likely have dependencies in
+tainted from a practical POV that would be the best place. A dedicated
+tainted+non-free repo would be the cleanest solution.
+Putting tainted+non-free in non-free is the worst solution both because of
+dependency issues and because it will be messy for mirror admins.
+
+So IMHO the choice is really between putting them in tainted and then
+describing tainted in the policy as being for ALL tainted packages
+(regardless if free or non-free) or else creating the dedicated
+tainted+non-free repo.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Can we reach a decision ? (add this question to the next packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting ?)
+</I>
+TBH I don't thing IRC is suitable for decisions where people have to spend
+some time thinking about the consequences of various options.
+Email (i.e. here on the ML) seems better to me.
+
+&gt;<i> However, as the whole discussion seems to revolve around only one
+</I>&gt;<i> practical
+</I>&gt;<i> package, what would be even better would be convince and help upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> solve the licensing issue (if that's feasible).
+</I>
+This question was triggered by the first tainted+non-free package I came
+across (the 4th package I decided to work on).
+But so far I already found four tainted+non-free packages (even though two
+might be dropped if the FOSS replacement fully replaces them) and I don't
+think these will be the last ones.
+I haven't search for them, I only came acroos them as I wanted to package
+them up, and then discovered this repo issue.
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+<PRE> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 09:13:51 +0200, P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Just a quick note to packagers and myself, since web-interfaces are
+</I>&gt;<i> prohibitive[1] at this moment:
+</I>&gt;<i> at
+</I>&gt;<i> /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/connection/providers/cellular_extra.pm:910
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> APN for Greek Vodafone is &quot;internet.vodafone.gr&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But, btw, why do we need all this in Perl?
+</I>
+ Because this was done before the creation of the following project :
+ <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband/ServiceProviders">http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/MobileBroadband/ServiceProviders</A>
+
+ Blino told me that we should migrate our list to the db, and use it.
+ ( IIRC ).
+
+&gt;<i> [1] don't ever trust the ads about &quot;unlimited internet through your
+</I>&gt;<i> mobile&quot;
+</I>
+ same here, unfortunately..
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Thierry Vignaud
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 14 March 2011 08:50, Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Updated status:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> =============
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All major video drivers (but fglrx[0]) seems to works fine:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - vesa,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - ATI/AMD,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Intel,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - Nvidia (nv/nouveau/nvidia)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - fb[1]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Less important drivers that works: virtualbox, sis
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Most major input drivers seems to works fine: evdev,synaptics, wacom.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need testing for:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - video: vmware.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - input: joystick[2],
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I can resurect an old PCI 12+ years old matrox card in order to test mga
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but I don't think it's still relevant.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [0] fglrx support will land after ati officialize its support for ubuntu
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] used by the installer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [1] not sure we'd testers back at mdv anyway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess we can now move xserver-1.10 from updates_testing/ to release/ now that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alpha2 has been released.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes i think this is the perfect time for this. this will let one month
+</I>&gt;<i> on core/release before beta1
+</I>
+Yup seems wise.
+
+Col
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Updated status:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; =============
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; All major video drivers (but fglrx[0]) seems to works fine:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - vesa,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - ATI/AMD,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - Intel,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - Nvidia (nv/nouveau/nvidia)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - fb[1]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Less important drivers that works: virtualbox, sis
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Most major input drivers seems to works fine: evdev,synaptics, wacom.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; We need testing for:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - video: vmware.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; - input: joystick[2],
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I guess we can now move xserver-1.10 from updates_testing/ to release/ now that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; alpha2 has been released.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; yes i think this is the perfect time for this. this will let one month
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on core/release before beta1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup seems wise.
+</I>
+Anyone can move x11 stuff from updates_testing into release/ then?
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yes i think this is the perfect time for this. this will let one month
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on core/release before beta1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yup seems wise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone can move x11 stuff from updates_testing into release/ then?
+</I>
+I will take care of it...
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> yes i think this is the perfect time for this. this will let one month
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on core/release before beta1
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yup seems wise.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyone can move x11 stuff from updates_testing into release/ then?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will take care of it...
+</I>
+Thanks.
+Beside cleaning duplicates, we'll have to rebuild virtualbox due to
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+We've had quite a lot of comments, proved or not, about base system
+size. Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta
+would be to investigate on this:
+
+- check real size
+- check deps
+- check rpmsrate for isos
+...
+
+Comments welcome
+
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+Anne
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 09:32:23PM -0300, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> I noticed a thread in mandriva maintainer mailing list regarding a HALectomy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far there's not a lot of program currently linked to hal :
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmf --requires libhal.so.1
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64gnome-vfs2_0:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libgphoto-common:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> hal:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64hal1:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> gimp:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome-pilot:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> xfburn:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64synce0:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64rapi2:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> halevt:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> nut-drivers-hal:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> libvirt-utils:libhal.so.1()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian &amp; fedora are also working on it cf
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval">http://wiki.debian.org/HALRemoval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/HalRemoval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should we go for it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Balcaen John
+</I>FWIW, halevt can be dropped with hal. udisks is a drop-in replacement
+for it. On top of that, its use is kinda limited to people that don&#8217;t
+use a desktop environment that handle automounting itself (and those
+should consider using udisks instead)
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 &#224; 16:45 +0100, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, so let&#8217;s drop firefox too, install epiphany and konqueror instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (maybe those are already installed aside firefox ?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do use epiphany and konqueror ( when i was under kde ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we follow one way, let&#8217;s be consistent with that ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good, so we are 2 in favor of dropping firefox.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well, I couldn&#8217;t care less since I&#8217;m using neither KDE nor GNOME and we
+are talking about defaults for these DE :-)
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+&gt;<i> FWIW, halevt can be dropped with hal. udisks is a drop-in replacement
+</I>&gt;<i> for it. On top of that, its use is kinda limited to people that don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;<i> use a desktop environment that handle automounting itself (and those
+</I>&gt;<i> should consider using udisks instead)
+</I>
+How is udisks supposed to replace halevt?
+Is it capable of automounting without an additionnal daemon?
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently Mageia have both scim and ibus in core repository. But
+</I>&gt;<i> neither have input method modules available, which means they are not
+</I>&gt;<i> really usable right now. (scim and ibus are input method platforms for
+</I>&gt;<i> input method modules of different written languages.) Mandriva has
+</I>&gt;<i> already begun migration to ibus. I'm wondering if it's planned for
+</I>&gt;<i> transition from scim to ibus before the first release of Mageia.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+For Mageia 1, we can keep both, and make sure they work fine.
+drakxtools allows to chose between the two.
+
+ibus should probably be preferred if we get it to work fine, we would
+have trouble solving scim issues since it is not maintained upstream
+anymore.
+
+Do you know which packages have to be imported to get these IM
+functional?
+
+Thanks
+
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>&quot;P. Christeas&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Just a quick note to packagers and myself, since web-interfaces are
+</I>&gt;<i> prohibitive[1] at this moment:
+</I>&gt;<i> at /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/connection/providers/cellular_extra.pm:910 the
+</I>&gt;<i> APN for Greek Vodafone is &quot;internet.vodafone.gr&quot;
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+This file comes from upstream mobile-broadband-provider-info, from GNOME:
+<A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/tree/serviceproviders.xml">http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/tree/serviceproviders.xml</A>
+
+The APN fix should be reported there.
+
+&gt;<i> But, btw, why do we need all this in Perl?
+</I>&gt;<i> Couldn't we keep some more data-like format? The original one, one that is
+</I>&gt;<i> used by other tools, or (I say) INI-like or JSON?
+</I>
+As misc said, our &quot;db&quot; was started before
+mobile-broadband-provider-info, and using a perl structure was the
+easiest way to get it working in drakx-net.
+
+Now, the sane way would be to move our APN settings about into the XML
+file of mobile-broadband-provider-info, and directly parse its XML in
+drakx-net.
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> license
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rename/rebrand it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it different than firefox license terms ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Same rules AFAIK, see
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A>
+</I>
+Indeed, exactly the same rules.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your compiled version.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are not using unmodified source code for firefox :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A>
+</I>
+Many of these entries seem to be just modified changelog entries. (And
+of course, unmodified imports have changelog entries.)
+
+&gt;<i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A>
+</I>
+These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may
+predate the current Mozilla policy.)
+Otherwise they just seem to be modified changelog entries.
+
+Note also that if applied patches come from Mozilla, that shouldn't
+require permission. (And Mozilla issues a lot of patches, particularly
+for security.)
+
+As well, we don't use the logo for advertising, we are just repackaging
+the software as part of our distribution.
+It might install in a somewhat different location, but that doesn't
+change the contained binaries or scripts. Also, binaries distributed by
+Mozilla without installer (in a compressed file) can be installed
+(almost) anywhere one likes.
+
+&gt;<i> Also the &quot;do not charge for it&quot; would make it non free (but it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to be mentioned in the &quot;Modifications&quot; section, only in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Unaltered Binaries&quot; section).
+</I>
+Why would &quot;do not charge for it&quot; make it non-free ?
+That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging
+for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses.
+
+This addition to their policy was a reaction to commercial sites that
+were abusing open source norms, and selling modified versions of Mozilla
+products using the Mozilla reputation, logos, and trademark, to make a
+profit. Some sites used deceptive practices to deliver only partially
+functional versions, for which they charged more to enable missing
+functions. Which obviously didn't help Mozilla's reputation.
+
+&gt;<i> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Modifications&quot; section.
+</I>
+I don't think we need to, but we can always confirm via
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A>
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+now is a good time thunderbird gets built with gio support (and
+disable gnome-vfs support); it's long enough before Mageia's first
+stable release that bugs with tb-with-gio-support can be fixed or the
+change reverted.
+
+If no one objects I'll push a new package; so when/if that happens,
+keep an eye out on thunderbird in Cauldron and report any issues that
+hit you after updating.
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs</A>
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+&gt;<i> Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW, halevt can be dropped with hal. udisks is a drop-in replacement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for it. On top of that, its use is kinda limited to people that don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use a desktop environment that handle automounting itself (and those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should consider using udisks instead)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How is udisks supposed to replace halevt?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it capable of automounting without an additionnal daemon?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+AFAICS, only task-lxde and task-moblin suggested halevt...
+
+LXDE doesn't use it any more as PCManFM uses gvfs/gio (and upstream is
+planning to use udisks directly).
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 17 March 2011 22:38, Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 02:26:53PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 11 mars 2011 &#224; 16:45 +0100, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ok, so let&#8217;s drop firefox too, install epiphany and konqueror instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (maybe those are already installed aside firefox ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do use epiphany and konqueror ( when i was under kde ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If we follow one way, let&#8217;s be consistent with that ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good, so we are 2 in favor of dropping firefox.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I couldn&#8217;t care less since I&#8217;m using neither KDE nor GNOME and we
+</I>&gt;<i> are talking about defaults for these DE :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's &#8220;awesome&#8221;! :)
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> R&#233;my CLOUARD
+</I>&gt;<i> () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail
+</I>&gt;<i> /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 &#224; 18:24 -0400, andre999 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; Also the &quot;do not charge for it&quot; would make it non free (but it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; seem to be mentioned in the &quot;Modifications&quot; section, only in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Unaltered Binaries&quot; section).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why would &quot;do not charge for it&quot; make it non-free ?
+</I>&gt;<i> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging
+</I>&gt;<i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses.
+</I>
+So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it,
+since it would be charging for the software.
+
+That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it.
+--
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+ <B>Tedel</B>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+I thought it would be a good idea to include the list of ISP for Peru in the first Mageia. There are three companies here for 3G USB modem Internet connections: Claro, Nextel and Movistar.
+
+Claro configuration is:
+
+APN: claro.pe (no longer tim.com.pe, as it says in Mandriva 2010.2)
+user name: [none]
+password [none]
+
+Nextel configuration is:
+
+APN: datacard.nextel.com.pe
+user name: i.e. <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">user at nextel.com.pe</A> (include i.e., else it won't work)
+password: 12345
+
+
+I'll try to find out which is Movistar information so you can include it as well.
+
+Regards,
+--
+Jorge Enrique Aguayo &#8212;Tedel
+<A HREF="http://heptagrama.com">http://heptagrama.com</A>
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003382.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003383.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003384.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003385.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003394.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003395.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003396.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003397.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO
+</A><A NAME="3397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003398.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003399.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003400.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 17 23:50:18 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:27 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
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+ <h1>17 March 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 17 00:03:42 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 17 23:50:18 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003375.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003385.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003395.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003360.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003361.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003362.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003363.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003364.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003366.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003399.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003365.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003367.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003368.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003369.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003370.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003373.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003371.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003372.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003374.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003376.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003377.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003379.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003381.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003383.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003398.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003382.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003394.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003378.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003380.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003384.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003397.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO
+</A><A NAME="3397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003396.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003400.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="003769.html">[Mageia-dev] USB 3G modem configuration for Peru
+</A><A NAME="3769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tedel
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 17 23:50:18 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:27 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>17 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Mar 17 00:03:42 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 17 23:50:18 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01300316622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003360.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300316622-01300317413- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003361.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JA Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300316622-01300317413-01300317796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003363.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01300316622-01300318229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003364.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01300316622-01300322122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003366.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300317484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003362.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586
+</A><A NAME="3362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01300321943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003365.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300321943-01300325930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003367.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003368.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003369.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328195- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003370.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Balcaen John
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328195-01300333131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003373.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003371.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003372.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003374.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002-01300346324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003376.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002-01300346324-01300348148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003377.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002-01300346324-01300348148-01300349743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003379.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002-01300346324-01300348148-01300349743-01300356070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003381.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300321943-01300325930-01300327268-01300327720-01300328885-01300332737-01300345002-01300346324-01300348148-01300349743-01300356070-01300357806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003383.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01300321943-01300393326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003391.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300321943-01300393326-01300395901- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003393.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01300321943-01300393326-01300395901-01300401780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003398.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ?
+</A><A NAME="3398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300334185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003769.html">[Mageia-dev] USB 3G modem configuration for Peru
+</A><A NAME="3769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tedel
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01300346031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003375.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300346031-01300361418- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003385.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01300346031-01300396694- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003395.html">[Mageia-dev] [Note] Cellular providers
+</A><A NAME="3395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300349649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003378.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300349649-01300350045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003380.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01300349649-01300359304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003384.html">[Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put non-free+tainted RPMs?
+</A><A NAME="3384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300356656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003382.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300356656-01300396164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003394.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy
+</A><A NAME="3394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300379544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003386.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300379544-01300389425- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003387.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300379544-01300389425-01300389580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003388.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01300379544-01300389425-01300389580-01300390351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003389.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: x11-server 1.10
+</A><A NAME="3389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300392854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003390.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1
+</A><A NAME="3390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01300394313- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003392.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300394313-01300401882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003399.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player
+</A><A NAME="3399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300400657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003396.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300400657-01300402218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003400.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package
+</A><A NAME="3400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300400738- -->
+<LI><A HREF="003397.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO
+</A><A NAME="3397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 17 23:50:18 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Mar 28 18:11:27 CEST 2011</i>
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