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The policy says: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config +</I>>><i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need +</I>>><i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for +</I>>><i> your compiled version." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are not using unmodified source code for firefox : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I> +Many of these entries seem to be just modified changelog entries. (And +of course, unmodified imports have changelog entries.) + +><i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I> +These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may +predate the current Mozilla policy.) +Otherwise they just seem to be modified changelog entries. + +Note also that if applied patches come from Mozilla, that shouldn't +require permission. (And Mozilla issues a lot of patches, particularly +for security.) + +As well, we don't use the logo for advertising, we are just repackaging +the software as part of our distribution. +It might install in a somewhat different location, but that doesn't +change the contained binaries or scripts. Also, binaries distributed by +Mozilla without installer (in a compressed file) can be installed +(almost) anywhere one likes. + +><i> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>><i> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>><i> "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I> +Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. + +This addition to their policy was a reaction to commercial sites that +were abusing open source norms, and selling modified versions of Mozilla +products using the Mozilla reputation, logos, and trademark, to make a +profit. Some sites used deceptive practices to deliver only partially +functional versions, for which they charged more to enable missing +functions. Which obviously didn't help Mozilla's reputation. + +><i> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the +</I>><i> "Modifications" section. +</I> +I don't think we need to, but we can always confirm via +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A> + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003399.html">[Mageia-dev] default kde media player +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003400.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3396">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3396">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3396">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3396">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |