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Having +</I>><i> a generic static text here is of no benefit ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What we use as the "name" of the user is worth discussing, but I don't see +</I>><i> any reason to limit it to being the username. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't see a need to have the email address in the From be dedicated to +</I>><i> the packager/submitter. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Proposal 1.1: +</I>><i> From: $user{cn} <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packages at mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> From: Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">packages at mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If we want to rather try and build teams who work on specific groups of +</I>><i> packages, it may be better to have use: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Proposal 1.2: +</I>><i> From: $user{cn} <%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">name at packages.mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> From: Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openldap at packages.mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> and have per-package aliases tied to the maintainer database. This may make +</I>><i> it easier to assign bugs in bugzilla, without having to re-assign bugs +</I>><i> whenever someone joins/leaves/changes roles. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Additionally, assuming Reply-To is not set, replying to the changelog mail +</I>><i> would get you to all the contributors who maintain the package. With +</I>><i> Reply-To set, Reply-All would get you to a mailing list, as well as the +</I>><i> alias. In my case, I filter mail based on mailing list tags, so this would +</I>><i> mean mails about my packages would not hit the mailing list folder, but +</I>><i> could hit a different folder with a better priority. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It might be a bit overkill in some situations (e.g. kde-i18n- +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">af at packages.mageia.org</A>), but maybe we could look up the maintainer team +</I>><i> from the package name, and that could be <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">i18n-af at mageia.org</A> or +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">kde at packages.mageia.org.</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, if we want to focus on team work rather than individuals, maybe: +</I>><i> Proposal 1.3 +</I>><i> From: Mageia %name team <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openldap at packages.mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> From: Mageia openldap team <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">openldap at packages.mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Again, we could possible look up the maintainer team name, e.g. "Mageia +</I>><i> Afrikaans localisation team" or "Mageia KDE team" using the example above, +</I>><i> or "Mageia Server team" or "Mageia LDAP team" or similar in this example: +</I>><i> From: Mageia %name{cn} <%name{mail}> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, this loses some of the easy-overview-by-folder-view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Finally, there is always the totally personal, spam-attracting option: +</I>><i> Proposal 1.4 +</I>><i> From: $user{cn} <$user{mail}> +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> From: Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at xxx</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, which email address this is is another issue. If we are going to offer +</I>><i> all contributors (anyone who can commit to svn), then we can use a Mageia +</I>><i> alias everywhere by default, and have these as aliases to the contributor's +</I>><i> personal email address. However, if a contributor receives a direct mail to +</I>><i> their contributor address, do they expect to be able to reply from that +</I>><i> address? E.g., our work mail system does sender validation, so I can only +</I>><i> send from an address that is an alias on the account which I authenticate +</I>><i> as. For Mandriva, I ssh port forward into the cluster to send mail from my +</I>><i> Mandriva alias ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If users have to reply from their personal address, it defeats the +</I>><i> anonymity/privacy goal. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My preference: 1.2 or 1.3 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2)What to use in the %packager tag. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All the proposals above apply, but let's refer to them as 2.1 through 2.4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My preference: 1.2 or 1.4 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3)What to use in the %changelog section of the spec file +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mandriva: +</I>><i> Full Name <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">usermail at mandriva....</A>> %version-%release: +</I>><i> + Revision: XXX +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia: +</I>><i> uid <uid> %version-%release: +</I>><i> + Revision: XXX +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My preference would be that people who are happy to disclose their real +</I>><i> names be able to have the full name expanded in the changelog entries, +</I>><i> however there isn't necessarily a requirement to keep a valid email +</I>><i> address. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Proposal 3.1: +</I>><i> $user{cn} <$user{uid}> %version-%release +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> Buchan Milne <buchan> 3.5.7-1mga +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Porposal 3.2: +</I>><i> $user{cn} <$user{mail}> %version-%release +</I>><i> e.g. +</I>><i> Buchan Milne <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bgmilne at mageia.</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4)LDAP implications +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4.1)As far as I know, we don't currently use givenName or sn outside +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://identity.mageia.org">https://identity.mageia.org</A> at all at present. Within +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://identity.mageia.org,">https://identity.mageia.org,</A> the givenName and sn are visible to the user, +</I>><i> and to Account Admins, and possibily Group Admins. All emails sent to the +</I>><i> user currently use cn, but it may be more personal to use "givenName sn" +</I>><i> instead? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bugzilla uses cn and mail +</I>><i> Forum should use cn and mail +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4.2)I am not prepared to do work to remove sn and givenName, if you don't +</I>><i> want users to have to supply values that will never be exposed, but +</I>><i> personalise account management communication, submit a patch, or fork. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Users can edit cn immediately on account creation anyway, and always have +</I>><i> been able to. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4.3)I don't see the utility of having 2 email addresses at present, while +</I>><i> we don't have aliases. If we are going to have Mageia aliases, let's +</I>><i> discuss that first, there are more issues than just users who want to use +</I>><i> two different email addresses for privacy reasons. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, if we do have aliases, then we will most likely introduce a +</I>><i> mailForwardingAddress attribute. This would then contain the real email +</I>><i> address, mail would contain the Mageia address for contributors, and mail +</I>><i> to the alias would be forwarded to the mailAlternateAddress +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please indicate if this would be sufficient, or if you think +</I>><i> non-contributor users would require the ability to have a different email +</I>><i> address (for identity account management, e.g. password recovery, only). +</I>><i> Note that non- contributors mails would be used by bugzilla and sympa. But +</I>><i> they are free to use a Mageia-specific account/address, no one has ever +</I>><i> required it to be a personal address that goes to your work server, or +</I>><i> personally identifies you. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want to waste any more time on this, and I will not make any +</I>><i> changes to CatDap for this unless there is consensus on a specification on +</I>><i> which I can base (manual for now) testing. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> Buchan +</I> +I greatly thank you for this very long and elaborate but clear proposal +overview, imo if this goes on too long, we should vote for it and move on. + +because i'm pretty sure i read that we will get @mageia.org email addresses, +i'll differentiate it from X.4 by calling "$user{uid}@mageia.org" X.5 + +perhaps we can just all list our personal preferences in this subthread, so +it'll immediately be clear who wants which options. + +personal preferences: + +1) 1.2 or 1.3 +2) 2.2 or 2.5 +3) 3.5 (again uid + @mageia.org) + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003032.html">[Mageia-dev] Contributors using real name/working email? or not? or maybe? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003036.html">[Mageia-dev] Rpmlint configuration, false positives +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3039">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3039">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3039">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3039">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |