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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Sat Feb 26 05:13:05 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 10:33:42, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 09:19 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 25 f&#233;vrier 2011 01:12:07, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What need to be taken in account too is also the case
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Internet =&gt; 5-7 apps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Having :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Internet =&gt; 5-7 submenus =&gt; 1 app entry
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is IMHO clearly suboptimal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( ie, 1 step more to get application , on a total of 3, that's a lot ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Does it happen ? In a default Mandriva KDE installation I already have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> more than 10 internet applications.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not use kde, but that doesn't sound good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What are the entries ? Are all of them really needed ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - akregator
+</I>&gt;<i> - kaddressbook
+</I>&gt;<i> - kmail
+</I>&gt;<i> - network center (mandriva)
+</I>&gt;<i> - kbluetooth
+</I>&gt;<i> - kget (download manager)
+</I>&gt;<i> - knetattach (= add a network
+</I>&gt;<i> - knode : newsgroups reader (unless I installed it manually, not sure)
+</I>&gt;<i> - konqueror
+</I>&gt;<i> - kontact
+</I>&gt;<i> - konversation
+</I>&gt;<i> - kopete
+</I>&gt;<i> - korganizer
+</I>&gt;<i> - kppp
+</I>&gt;<i> - krdc
+</I>&gt;<i> - krfb
+</I>&gt;<i> - ktorrent (unless I installed it manually)
+</I>&gt;<i> - firefox
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I agree that many of those will not be used by most people
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer 3 quick steps rather than 2 long steps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This would requires some testing and measures to see which is faster,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which is more confusing. Fcrozat did some tests, but I think the report
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> were not published :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And KDE gives you the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;recently used applications&quot; on top of the menu, so the extra step is no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> big deal.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shall I remind that there is more than KDE in the world ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, because it suggests I forgot it, which is not the case :)
+</I>&gt;<i> But you mean there is no such functionality in GNOME and other commonly used
+</I>&gt;<i> environments ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+Gnome doesn't put recently used applications on top. (Just switched to
+test it.)
+Neither does the default Mandriva menu, which I usually use. (At least
+not by default.) One problem with that feature is that it can be
+difficult to know where to look for a particular app, because it won't
+always be in the same place. But if there were a line separating recent
+and others, and both groups were in alphabetical order, it would be
+easier to find things. But I don't if know any menu system does that.
+I don't know if Gnome uses a &quot;Plus/More&quot; menu, as the menu lists are
+much shorter than the Mandriva menus.
+(Partly because much is missing from the tools menus. But also the
+icons are smaller, which is nice. Unfortunately some submenus aren't
+translated.)
+
+Mandriva menus do use a &quot;Plus&quot; submenu. (called that in french.)
+Previously sometimes has been used in a menu with only about 7 items,
+but currently only appears in one menu approaching the bottom of the page.
+(The overflow menu had one item, I removed one item from the parent, and
+the overflow menu is still there with one item.)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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