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Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>>>>>><i> "More" +</I>>>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>>>>>><i> what we have +</I>>>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>>>>>><i> "simplicity", +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>>>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>>>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>>>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>>>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>>>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>>>>><i> : +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I> +What these studies refer to is how much information the average person +can keep in short-term memory. Many such studies seem to indicate 3-5 +items (depending on the person), others give as much as 7-9. +The variance is probably related to the complexity of information used +in the study, or how it was presented. (And maybe also whether the +subjects were fully awake at the time :) ) + +This doesn't relate to menu display, which is related to the ability to +find what one wants in reading a list. +By default the Mandriva menus are displayed in alphabetical order, which +is useful to anyone familiar with the latin alphabet. + +In the past (it could have been "Mandrake" or even "RedHat"), when there +were too many items in a menu page to display in a single column, the +overflow items were displayed in a second column. I don't remember if +that was a special configuration, but I found it much better than the +scrolling that we can encounter otherwise, when there are too many items +for one column. +And certainly much better than an additional submenu. +I see this overflow column concept as being much like tabbed browsing. +Until one has seen it, it can be difficult to appreciate the advantage. +But once one has tried it, it becomes almost essential. + +>><i> Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +</I>>><i> keep the current system? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not think so. What chunk of informations do you take in account ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +</I>>><i> Tools, Tools->System submenus. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By submenu, you mean the "more" submenu ? I fail to understand what do +</I>><i> you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ? +</I> +Those menus all all submenus (or submenus of submenus) of the main menu +page. (Levels 2 and 3, if you prefer.) + +>><i> With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +</I>>><i> ~7 you mention. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ? +</I>><i> ( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20, +</I>><i> that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to +</I>><i> studies )) +</I> +I don't know of any study that says that 7 or 9 is too many items for a +_menu_. Very few menu pages have that few items. +However, I do see a disadvantage of having to scroll a menu with too +many items for one fully visible column. Whence my suggestion of +reverting to the 2-column (or overflow column) menu display as described +above. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002813.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002816.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2814">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2814">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2814">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2814">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |