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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1>
+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+ <I>Thu Feb 24 23:09:37 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 24.02.2011 21:15, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 24 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 20:30 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 24 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;More&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what we have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;simplicity&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep the current system?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think so. What chunk of informations do you take in account ?
+</I>
+No chunks, just items in menu.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tools, Tools-&gt;System submenus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By submenu, you mean the &quot;more&quot; submenu ? I fail to understand what do
+</I>&gt;<i> you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ?
+</I>
+No, I mean menu entries directly under those menus.
+<A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png</A>
+<A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png</A>
+
+IMHO too many entries there. With two levels I think at least the number
+of entries/submenus directly under the Internet menu would be
+significantly reduced.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~7 you mention.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ?
+</I>&gt;<i> ( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to
+</I>&gt;<i> studies ))
+</I>
+No idea. IMO finding the wanted application is faster when it goes
+Internet =&gt; 5-7 submenus =&gt; each with 2-5 app entries
+instead of the current
+Internet =&gt; 20 app entries, plus 10 more in &quot;More&quot;
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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