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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Philippe DIDIER at 23/01/11 22:38 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I send this message again because it did not appear in the mailing-list
+</I>&gt;<i> after I sent it on january 18th....
+</I>&gt;<i> As it concerns a basis rpm upon which others are built, I thought
+</I>&gt;<i> there's some emergency
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to have at least convinced Mandriva team... and might improve
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia too, reaching some common standard with all the other distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here it is :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi everybody !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if it's the right place to post this, and I don't want to
+</I>&gt;<i> fill this mail list with long mesages...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone needs to see what i'm talking about there's an old bug report
+</I>&gt;<i> on Mandriva bugzilla that was recently resuscitated (I know Thierry
+</I>&gt;<i> Vignaud had a glance on it...)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47090">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47090</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it would be more sane and safe to start on a universal basis
+</I>&gt;<i> with freeglut (that is used by every distribution), and build packages
+</I>&gt;<i> with it (but that means a temporary problem of compatibility with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope this will help
+</I>
+Yeah I've been following this in Mdv myself. I'll try and take a look
+when time frees itself from other tasks I'm involved in.
+
+I don't see any problems with the various improvements made in the
+packaging in mdv, so see no reason not to adopt them here.
+
+Col
+
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+mageia(at)colin.guthr.ie
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
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+Open Source:
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+Next meeting will happen tonight on #mageia-dev at 20h UTC.
+
+Here are the topics:
+
+- Last review on build system and distro bootstrap
+- Mentoring process and how to help new comers: please have a look
+before meeting on
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start</A>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</A>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mentoring_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mentoring_start</A>
+
+And prepare any proposals, comments
+- coming roadmap packaging / isos
+- triage team: how we can help and get sufficient numbers
+- Review on policies import
+
+As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+stay in human timetable :).
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>&gt;<i> stay in human timetable :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+hi Anne,
+we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha release?
+this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+everyday use.
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/1/26 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stay in human timetable :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i> we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha release?
+</I>&gt;<i> this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+</I>&gt;<i> want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyday use.
+</I>
+As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+ - NOT a stable release
+ - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+ - NOT ready for everyday use
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2011/1/26 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; stay in human timetable :).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha
+</I>release?
+&gt;<i> &gt; this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyday use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;<i> - NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;<i> - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;<i> - NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+having any risk. so?
+</PRE>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> release?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; everyday use.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;<i> having any risk. so?
+</I>
+Again, that's not the focus of this alpha release. We don't want
+people to try it around just to see what Mageia has in reserve,
+because they will be disappointed in this regard: take this alpha as
+an alpha-developer/packager-technical-raw-preview. It will be ugly. It
+will scare Santa Claus. It will make the rain vaporize. It may even
+break your neighbour's TV set.
+
+Moverover, for future alpha/beta/finale release, formats to be
+released (live, non-live, cd, dvd, other) _have to_ be specified on
+the release roadmap/features page (so obviously, there needs to be a
+discussion about this for the next alpha). And a livecd will be fine
+as soon as we near the final release (or maybe not, that's to be
+discussed).
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Thorsten van Lil</B>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;<i> having any risk. so?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Correct me of I'm wrong, but afaik the alpha will be just the base of
+the upcoming mageia, without any DE or X.
+
+Regards,
+Thorsten
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/1/26 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/1/26 Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; stay in human timetable :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> release?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; everyday use.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;<i> having any risk. so?
+</I>
+I am not sure what this means in this context, but the time for
+discussion about live CDs will certainly come sooner or later.
+
+This first Alpha is meant to
+
+ - test the build system in all its parts up to a release
+ - test the bootstrapping process
+
+ - (last but not least) show the progress of the project.
+
+Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it will net even have a graphical
+interface (x server).
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Michael scherer</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 03:11:25PM +0100, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next meeting will happen tonight on #mageia-dev at 20h UTC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are the topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Last review on build system and distro bootstrap
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mentoring process and how to help new comers: please have a look
+</I>&gt;<i> before meeting on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mentoring_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mentoring_start</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And prepare any proposals, comments
+</I>&gt;<i> - coming roadmap packaging / isos
+</I>&gt;<i> - triage team: how we can help and get sufficient numbers
+</I>&gt;<i> - Review on policies import
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>
+I would like to speak of the work and the Nuremberg meeting ( I have a
+blog post to be published, but I am currently unable to do it, not having
+enough time ).
+This is mostly to expose what we did ( but Stormi already posted the mail
+before me ) and so dispatch some work.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath skrev 26.1.2011 17:48:
+&gt;<i> 2011/1/26 Marcello Anni&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/1/26 Marcello Anni&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As usual feel free to propose any other topic provided our meeting
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stay in human timetable :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this is really important as interested people that don't want problems may
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyday use.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having any risk. so?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not sure what this means in this context, but the time for
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion about live CDs will certainly come sooner or later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This first Alpha is meant to
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - test the build system in all its parts up to a release
+</I>&gt;<i> - test the bootstrapping process
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - (last but not least) show the progress of the project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it will net even have a graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> interface (x server).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually a 2010.2 upgraded to current bootstrap seems to work...
+so you never know... but no promises yet... :)
+
+--
+Thomas
+
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 26 January 2011 17:46, Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am 26.01.2011 16:35, schrieb Marcello Anni:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having any risk. so?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Correct me of I'm wrong, but afaik the alpha will be just the base of the
+</I>&gt;<i> upcoming mageia, without any DE or X.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Thorsten
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nope, X, KDE4 and GNOME are all already available.
+
+More DE's will be in soon; note that the big hurdle of importing the
+most basic packages is over, so importing packages now is much easier
+:<i>)
+</I>
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 16:35, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; we will be able to create a LiveCD version of Mageia for this alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; this is really important as interested people that don't want problems
+</I>may
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; want to try it and then install it only when a stable release is ready
+</I>for
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; everyday use.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As pointed out several times (and will be underlined in all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; announcements) this Alpha 1 is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - NOT a stable release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - NOT for the average user, it's a developper release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - NOT ready for everyday use
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in fact, a livecd version allow to keep the &quot;funny&quot; side of linux without
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having any risk. so?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, that's not the focus of this alpha release. We don't want
+</I>&gt;<i> people to try it around just to see what Mageia has in reserve,
+</I>&gt;<i> because they will be disappointed in this regard: take this alpha as
+</I>&gt;<i> an alpha-developer/packager-technical-raw-preview. It will be ugly. It
+</I>&gt;<i> will scare Santa Claus. It will make the rain vaporize. It may even
+</I>&gt;<i> break your neighbour's TV set.
+</I>
+ah ah : ) ok then, i've understood i can't try it : )
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moverover, for future alpha/beta/finale release, formats to be
+</I>&gt;<i> released (live, non-live, cd, dvd, other) _have to_ be specified on
+</I>&gt;<i> the release roadmap/features page (so obviously, there needs to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion about this for the next alpha). And a livecd will be fine
+</I>&gt;<i> as soon as we near the final release (or maybe not, that's to be
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ok, thank you for these infos
+
+&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011 &#224; 18:13 +0200, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 26 January 2011 17:46, Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Nope, X, KDE4 and GNOME are all already available.
+</I>
+Yep, but we didn't really test yet, and that's what the first iso will
+be for, test and see if it work. It may totally eat your hard dis and
+open a door to hell ( or worst, to Microsoft ).
+
+&gt;<i> More DE's will be in soon; note that the big hurdle of importing the
+</I>&gt;<i> most basic packages is over, so importing packages now is much easier
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>
+Yeah, but personally, i would prefer to see that people focus more on
+cleaning ( and sending patches upstream ) than importing
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <h1>26 January 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 14:07:32 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:53 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 13<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002333.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002334.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002335.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002336.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002337.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002338.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002339.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002340.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002341.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002342.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002343.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002344.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002332.html">[Mageia-dev] GLUT (part of mesa srpm) is not GPL... and is quite obsolete ! (bis)
+</A><A NAME="2332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:53 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:58 CET 2011</i>
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 14:07:32 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:53 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 13<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01296047252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002332.html">[Mageia-dev] GLUT (part of mesa srpm) is not GPL... and is quite obsolete ! (bis)
+</A><A NAME="2332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01296051085- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002333.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01296051085-01296054758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002334.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002335.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002336.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002337.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056741-01296062801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002343.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002338.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056798-01296058410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002342.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056798-01296058410-01296066053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002344.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002339.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01296051085-01296054758-01296055751-01296056117-01296056911-01296057458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002341.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01296051085-01296057139- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002340.html">[Mageia-dev] 26/01/2011 meeting
+</A><A NAME="2340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:53 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Jan 26 19:20:58 CET 2011</i>
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