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+<PRE>Le vendredi 21 janvier 2011 &#224; 15:45 +0200, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 17.01.2011 10:38, Michael scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 01:19:29AM +0100, Samuel Verschelde wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le dimanche 16 janvier 2011 00:07:56, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi all!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Should we have a %mdkversion (and %mdkver/%mdvver) that is hardcoded to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 201100 for the time being, or should we not have one at all?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Not having it will cause any src.rpms that have any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &quot;%if %mdkversion &lt; x&quot; to fail to build.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I'm strongly in favor of having it for compatibility reasons, so that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; most MDV src.rpms keep building on Mageia for the time being, including
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; those provided by any 3rd party packagers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Not having the macro will cause us to lose that compatibility for very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; little benefit, IMO. It could maybe be removed after several releases,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; but not before.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; However, it seems blino disagreed with this, and he thinks we should not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; have these macros at all.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; What do other people think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If not having those macros means we can't compile mdv SRPMS on mageia, then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'd prefer we keep it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then keep them forever ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because for one, mdkversion should have disappeared when the suffix was changed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; something like 5 years ago. And the fact we still rely on it is not a good sign.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; More ever, even on Mandriva, most of them do not make much sense. Most of the software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are not backported ( as the usage of the macros is mainly for stuff replaced
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by filetrigger ), and they are never cleaned.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On the file trigger side, we have most of the macros going back to 2009.0, where we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can't backport anything on the BS. And 2010.0 for the trigger for web application, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do not think we backport them usually ( as people barely see the value of packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them... ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think we will not have much problem, except this force us to do more cleaning.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cleaning that obviously didn't happened before, as we are needing to do it now.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So drop it, have more generic macros, and smarter policy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem is not backports IMO, it is building 3rdparty src.rpm or old
+</I>&gt;<i> src.rpm on Mageia (i.e. forward-porting), which won't work if we do not
+</I>&gt;<i> have %mdkversion.
+</I>
+We could have the macro in a specific rpm. This way, it would be easier
+to find when we need them ( ie searching on BuildRequires ) so we can
+expect what is needed, and we could more easily rebuild and update if we
+need to change the macros ( like, if they change on mandriva level ).
+
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have added a new check in youri, to verify that all BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;<i> are available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If some are missing, they get listed and the submit is rejected.
+</I>
+You might encounter some issues, because some buildrequires might depend
+on the arch.
+iurt does a src.rpm rebuild before trying to install its dependencies,
+so that all the conditional buildrequires are recomputed correctly.
+
+--
+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 20:14, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have added a new check in youri, to verify that all BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If some are missing, they get listed and the submit is rejected.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You might encounter some issues, because some buildrequires might depend
+</I>&gt;<i> on the arch.
+</I>&gt;<i> iurt does a src.rpm rebuild before trying to install its dependencies,
+</I>&gt;<i> so that all the conditional buildrequires are recomputed correctly.
+</I>
+Currently I accept the submit if the dependency is available on any arch
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+<PRE>On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 20:55, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 20:14, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have added a new check in youri, to verify that all BuildRequires
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> are available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If some are missing, they get listed and the submit is rejected.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You might encounter some issues, because some buildrequires might depend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the arch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iurt does a src.rpm rebuild before trying to install its dependencies,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so that all the conditional buildrequires are recomputed correctly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently I accept the submit if the dependency is available on any arch
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hmm I thought so but looking at the current version of the code I only
+check on i586 :)
+Anyway the test seems to accept anything currently...
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+ <B>Philippe DIDIER</B>
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+<PRE>I send this message again because it did not appear in the mailing-list
+after I sent it on january 18th....
+As it concerns a basis rpm upon which others are built, I thought
+there's some emergency
+This seems to have at least convinced Mandriva team... and might improve
+Mageia too, reaching some common standard with all the other distributions.
+
+Here it is :
+
+Hi everybody !
+
+I don't know if it's the right place to post this, and I don't want to
+fill this mail list with long mesages...
+
+If someone needs to see what i'm talking about there's an old bug report
+on Mandriva bugzilla that was recently resuscitated (I know Thierry
+Vignaud had a glance on it...)
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47090">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=47090</A>
+
+Perhaps it would be more sane and safe to start on a universal basis
+with freeglut (that is used by every distribution), and build packages
+with it (but that means a temporary problem of compatibility with
+Mandriva...)
+
+Hope this will help
+
+philippe
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+<I>Olivier Blin
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+<LI><A HREF="002318.html">[Mageia-dev] GLUT (part of mesa srpm) is not GPL... and is quite obsolete ! (bis)
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