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+ <B>Michael scherer</B>
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+ <I>Sat Jan 22 08:37:19 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 08:22:26AM -0500, Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nothing should be downloaded from remote maven repositories during RPM
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; builds. All dependencies should be installed from rpm packages only.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> So you propose that we package every version of every maven plugin and
+</I>&gt;<i> dependency as RPMs and basically reinvent the entire Maven artifact
+</I>&gt;<i> architecture ?
+</I>
+Technically, that's mavven reinventing rpm architecture.
+
+&gt;<i> It's not a question of &quot;use the most current or fix it&quot;. POMs allow the
+</I>&gt;<i> author to specify the version of the artifact, and it doesn't matter
+</I>&gt;<i> whether it would work with a later version or not, because Maven will be
+</I>&gt;<i> no more tolerant of a version mismatch than RPM would be. It simply
+</I>&gt;<i> won't build unless you rewrite the POM, in which case you can kiss
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream support goodbye.
+</I>
+Well, than, this is our support or the upstream one.
+
+If maven powered rpms are not supportable ( ie patchable by us, rebuildable by us, and
+inspectable by us, and anybody else ), then
+we should not ship it in core. If one solution is to take random binary packages
+without having built from the source code ourself and without being able to do
+so for whatever reason, non-free is for that.
+
+Sure, that's bad PR for java and maven. But we do some promises on what is in core, and
+I think using maven and taking various jar from the internet do not let us fullfill
+thees promises, this is a good enough reason to not ship them in core.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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