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Although it might not be a bad idea to start with these minor +changes. + +><i> To me, +</I>><i> package groups should be as close as possible as menu entries (for graphical +</I>><i> packages), but maybe that would be too few groups ? +</I> +I have long thought this as well. +And the menu system should accommodate console apps as well. (Strictly +speaking it does, but generally you have to add the entries yourself.) +Don't forget that the XDG menu system doesn't require a major GUI like +Gnome or KDE, or even LXDE. It could be presented by a console app. It +is basically just a tool to readily access (console or GUI) +applications. All the more reason to try to harmonize (in both +directions) the presentation of packages for installation with the menu +system. + +><i> In fact, debian has some advance upon us on this, by the use of debtags. We +</I>><i> could maybe simplify grouping if we could put some information in tags rather +</I>><i> than in groups. +</I> +Right. With multiple tags, we can more finely classify packages. +Particularly useful for such groups as network (internet in the menus), +where a package -- such as Mozilla Seamonkey -- can be email / irc / +file-transfer / www (as well as html editor) all at the same time. Those +distinctions remain useful when looking for a package with a particular +function. + +However the user package tools (such as mageia-app-db and rpmdrake) +should still present the packages by rpm group / tag, and not just rpm +group, in order to present a more manageable number of packages. +Of course with this approach, a package with multiple tags will be +presented in more than one location. (That used to happen with RedHat +installation cds.) + +There could also be a mechanism to not separately present a group/tag +catagory with less than a certain number of members (say 3), to avoid a +too balkanized presentation. So if only 1 or 2 members, it is merged +with the parent category. In the case of FVWM and Sawfish mentioned +above, they would be presented directly in the desktop GUI group. + +It occurs to me that there is essentially no difference between package +groups and tags, except that a package can have multiple tags. +It might be useful to keep them separate on that basis - the package +being required (or allowed ?) to specify exactly one group, and +permitted to specify any number of tags. Just a random thought. + +><i> I don't know if there are cross-distributions efforts to harmonize package +</I>><i> groups, but that would be an interesting subject to tackle in the upcoming +</I>><i> meeting in Nürnberg. +</I> +Very good idea. The more we can harmonize, the better for third-party +packages, the end-user, and Linux in general. +(I'd like to see .rpm and .deb harmonized.) + +><i> More questions than answers :) +</I> +Good questions lead to better answers :) + +><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel Verschelde +</I> +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002042.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing RPM Groups +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002044.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2043">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2043">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2043">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2043">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |