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+<PRE>Hi there
+
+As planned in our last meeting, work has started with about 40
+packagers who had already packager account in Mandriva Linux. They are
+at the moment creating their account, getting right access and
+importing first packages. In same time submit process of packages is
+nearly done and tests are in progress. Base system packages are
+getting submitted in tree.
+
+In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be already
+familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers team as soon
+as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de packagers. Below are
+lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a look on it and ask for
+mentor to start process.
+
+Mentors
+=======
+Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A> - Can mentor several people
+J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin (jquelin) - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jquelin at gmail.com</A> - can mentor several people
+R&#233;my CLOUARD (shikamaru) - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at shikamaru.fr</A> - Can mentor one
+person at a time
+Philippe Makowski (philippeM) - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">makowski.mageia at gmail.com</A> - Can mentor
+one person at a time
+John Balcaen (mikala) - <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">balcaen.john at gmail.com</A> - Can mentor one
+persone at a time
+
+Trainees
+========
+Annubis tomasdeltell AT gmx DOT es Tom&#224;s Deltell
+art_bender <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">bartbender at gmail.com</A> Jose Fern&#225;ndez Rosa
+Bersuit bersuit.vera AT gmail DOT com Alfonso Vera
+bertux b at juglas point name Bertrand Juglas
+deap dpernot!at!gmail[dot]com David Pernot
+doktor5000 doktor5000 AT arcor DOT de Florian Hubold
+dorileo ldorileo [at] gmail.com Leandro Dorileo
+drivael rafael at drivael dot com Rafael Drivael
+gejo gejobj AT gmail DOT com Gerardo Bueno
+GregoryBravas gigartua AT gmail DOT com Gonzalo Igartua
+jhenin heninj~gmail J&#233;r&#244;me H&#233;nin
+legner legnerquero [AT] gmail [DOT] com Egner Quero
+obgr_seneca oliver.bgr AT googlemail DOT com Oliver Burger
+pernn p ercy dot lau at gmail dot com LiuPeng
+tombhadAC tombhadAC [at] haibox [dot] net Daniel W&#252;nsch
+VaCi0 cvargas [at] linuxmail [dot] org C&#233;sar Vargas
+venbea juan[dot]gamez[at]gmail[dot]com Juan Gamez
+
+
+Cheers
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2011/1/7 Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It&#8217;s been quite some time since I started working on ruby modules, and
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;ve been working on the policy too.
+</I>\o/
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find the page here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, there are some things that still need to be clarified.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The most controversial part is the naming convention.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many ruby modules are packaged via gem, and fedora introduced a strange
+</I>&gt;<i> naming convention, calling their package rubygem-%{gemname}. This
+</I>&gt;<i> convention was soon followed by other rpm-based distro such as opensuse
+</I>&gt;<i> and momonga, and we also have some of them.
+</I>I adopted the rubygem-* naming convention for ruby gems due to the
+different way of it being installed opposed to installing it as a
+ehr.. non-gem.. (ie. ruby-foo &amp; rubygem-foo would come with the same
+ruby module, but installed &amp; packaged differently), to provide a
+distinct namespace with less confusion (ie. there seems to be some
+conventions on naming ruby modules as ie. 'ruby-foo' for the pure ruby
+implementation of 'foo' which might've been written in C etc., always
+using the namespace 'rubygem' giving the resulting rubygem-ruby-foo &amp;
+rubygem-foo packages) and for the general ease on maintenace by
+adopting existing layouts already chosen by other distributions..
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;m not against changing that convention, but this raises also other
+</I>&gt;<i> questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Do we also need to change the provides/requires ? ie
+</I>No, whatever package filenames chosen, it's really a different topic
+than whatever
+provides/required that should be generated.
+Using rubygem() provides though (yet again) a distinct namespace for these
+dependencies automatically generated from the gem metadata, so to ensure these
+remaining canonical and without ambiguity, they shouldn't be changed.
+Notice that the dependency extractor used is the same one used for
+rpm5 upstream,
+so by making such changes you'd also end up breaking compatibility
+with it as well.
+&gt;<i> Requires: ruby(%{gemname})
+</I>&gt;<i> instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> Requires: rubygem(%{gemname})
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) is there a way to make youri watch for rubygem-%{gemname} in case we
+</I>&gt;<i> opt for that change ? Or better, can youri watch for %{gemname} on
+</I>&gt;<i> rubygems.org ?
+</I>provides/requires of ruby gems are already automatically generated to
+use rubygem(%{gemname}), so no need to add any explicit provides to
+packages and for non-gems where you'd need to add explicit requires on
+gems, you should add rubygem(%{gemname}).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it ok to add development dependencies as Suggests ? Shall we do a
+</I>&gt;<i> -devel subpackage that will pull these dependencies. The advantage of
+</I>&gt;<i> doing this is that automated installs will not add these dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> where they aren&#8217;t needed, but this will cause spec files to be more
+</I>&gt;<i> complicated to maintain (unless we add proper support for this in
+</I>&gt;<i> gem2rpm)
+</I>Currently it's trivial to add support for generating suggests on these
+automatically,
+but it's usually not really what's desired with the default behaviour
+(with urpmi) of installing
+suggests automatically.
+Adding support for gem2rpm for creating a meta subpackage would be
+trivial, but then you would
+have to manually maintain explicit provides/requires for these in the
+spec, in contrast to
+those automatically generated by rpm during build.
+A meta subpackage sounds fairly reasonable (given the current
+alternatives rpm provides,
+I'm not opposed to implementing something better), but should really be
+generated automatically in same fashion from the gem metadata during
+build, and not
+during initial package creation to be maintained manually afterwards,
+but there's no
+standard convention for automatically generating sub-packages in place
+to use yet.
+So if you want support for making use of this metadata in some
+sensible and easily maintanable
+way, some extra work will be required, as it would fall on rpm's
+responsibility to
+automatically do so and without extra mess to maintain in packages, I
+would advice to
+leave it out of packaging policies dictated for packagers to worry
+about, rather proposing
+it as a feature request for rpm.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About files:
+</I>&gt;<i> shall we keep the gem in the cache directory ? I&#8217;m not sure this is
+</I>&gt;<i> really useful, up till now I added it, but it makes the package a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> bigger
+</I>Nah, there's no use for it, that's why I implemented gem_helper.rb
+(which is what the %gem_build
+&amp; %gem_install macros are wrapped around) to drop it by default.
+Also notice that gem_helper.rb will also actually recreate the gem
+with all the files
+that's not of any use dropped, then install this gem.
+I *think* the behaviour should be pretty sane and generic enough to
+work with most gems
+(to my understanding of gem packaging at least;), although the code
+itself isn't all that pretty
+(some of the very first ruby code I wrote a year ago) and certainly
+wouldn't hurt from
+being given some care and cleaned up by someone with better ruby
+skills and nicer ruby dialect
+than mine.. ;)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall we do a -doc subpackage for big packages ? I think it may be
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting for package that have a lot of documentation and that are
+</I>&gt;<i> part of an ecosystem (ie, gems required for other packages like
+</I>&gt;<i> gitorious)
+</I>I certainly think -doc subpackages are of use, but from what to dictate any
+conditionals where and when to create such is something I'm not 100% on (I've
+added support to gem2rpm to do it for files specified as documentation by the
+gem metadata though), nor on *how* (should it be done by gem2rpm,
+or perhaps automatically during package build from the metadata, in
+similar fashion
+as proposed for -devel packages above?), I'm able to implement (or
+provide help in
+doing so) the request once the desired behaviour has been figured out though. ;)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Normally %gem_* macros should take care of that, but we might have to
+</I>&gt;<i> make it evolve.
+</I>I think either way one should anyways try to keep as much as possible out of the
+.spec files, leaving as much as possible up to macros, wrappers, dependency
+extractors etc. to take care of. It'll help reduce maintenance work on
+the individual
+packages and help improve compatibility with other distributions.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you see something I haven&#8217;t thought of ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will provide an example spec in this policy in the following days, and
+</I>&gt;<i> will take care of making the necessary changes to the existing packages
+</I>&gt;<i> once we agree with the above points.
+</I>Be sure to have it generated with gem2rpm, and try integrate the
+policy back into
+gem2rpm again, I've created a public repository for my fork at:
+<A HREF="http://gitorious.org/rpm5distro/gem2rpm5">http://gitorious.org/rpm5distro/gem2rpm5</A>
+
+(I might've added some additional confusion in trying to answer some of this,
+don't be afraid to ask on things where I don't make sense;)
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Le 07/01/2011 10:55, Daniel Kreuter a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As the actual policy is too old, who wants to write a new one describing the open jdk instead of gcj ?
+</I>&gt;<i> My experience in packaging is not too good to do that on my own.
+</I>hi,
+I will be very interested at least to try. I propose to work on it until sunday evening and come back here with my attempt.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel Kreuter
+</I>--
+farfouille
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+&gt;<i> 2011/1/7 Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello there,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It&#8217;s been quite some time since I started working on ruby modules, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I&#8217;ve been working on the policy too.
+</I>&gt;<i> \o/
+</I>First of all, thanks for your very complete answer. :)
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can find the page here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/Ruby</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, there are some things that still need to be clarified.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The most controversial part is the naming convention.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Many ruby modules are packaged via gem, and fedora introduced a strange
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; naming convention, calling their package rubygem-%{gemname}. This
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; convention was soon followed by other rpm-based distro such as opensuse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and momonga, and we also have some of them.
+</I>&gt;<i> I adopted the rubygem-* naming convention for ruby gems due to the
+</I>&gt;<i> different way of it being installed opposed to installing it as a
+</I>&gt;<i> ehr.. non-gem.. (ie. ruby-foo &amp; rubygem-foo would come with the same
+</I>&gt;<i> ruby module, but installed &amp; packaged differently), to provide a
+</I>&gt;<i> distinct namespace with less confusion (ie. there seems to be some
+</I>&gt;<i> conventions on naming ruby modules as ie. 'ruby-foo' for the pure ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> implementation of 'foo' which might've been written in C etc., always
+</I>&gt;<i> using the namespace 'rubygem' giving the resulting rubygem-ruby-foo &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> rubygem-foo packages) and for the general ease on maintenace by
+</I>&gt;<i> adopting existing layouts already chosen by other distributions..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That does make sense as long as we keep both kinds of packaging. But I&#8217;m
+pretty sure there won&#8217;t be many breakages by switching to one kind of
+packaging to another, thus it would make sense to have every ruby-foo
+package use the gem system, and then, we could choose one or the other
+naming scheme.
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I&#8217;m not against changing that convention, but this raises also other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) Do we also need to change the provides/requires ? ie
+</I>&gt;<i> No, whatever package filenames chosen, it's really a different topic
+</I>&gt;<i> than whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> provides/required that should be generated.
+</I>&gt;<i> Using rubygem() provides though (yet again) a distinct namespace for these
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies automatically generated from the gem metadata, so to ensure these
+</I>&gt;<i> remaining canonical and without ambiguity, they shouldn't be changed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Notice that the dependency extractor used is the same one used for
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm5 upstream,
+</I>&gt;<i> so by making such changes you'd also end up breaking compatibility
+</I>&gt;<i> with it as well.
+</I>Well, nothing prevents us from suggesting that change upstream, I think
+these changes might be discussed upstream too, but I agree that this
+change will only bring little benefit, so I think this won&#8217;t change
+&gt;<i> &gt; Requires: ruby(%{gemname})
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Requires: rubygem(%{gemname})
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) is there a way to make youri watch for rubygem-%{gemname} in case we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; opt for that change ? Or better, can youri watch for %{gemname} on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rubygems.org ?
+</I>&gt;<i> provides/requires of ruby gems are already automatically generated to
+</I>&gt;<i> use rubygem(%{gemname}), so no need to add any explicit provides to
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and for non-gems where you'd need to add explicit requires on
+</I>&gt;<i> gems, you should add rubygem(%{gemname}).
+</I>I think you misunderstood what I said there, I was thinking about
+youri-check, see <A HREF="http://youri.zarb.org/demo/mandriva/">http://youri.zarb.org/demo/mandriva/</A>
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is it ok to add development dependencies as Suggests ? Shall we do a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -devel subpackage that will pull these dependencies. The advantage of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doing this is that automated installs will not add these dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; where they aren&#8217;t needed, but this will cause spec files to be more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; complicated to maintain (unless we add proper support for this in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gem2rpm)
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently it's trivial to add support for generating suggests on these
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it's usually not really what's desired with the default behaviour
+</I>&gt;<i> (with urpmi) of installing
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests automatically.
+</I>&gt;<i> Adding support for gem2rpm for creating a meta subpackage would be
+</I>&gt;<i> trivial, but then you would
+</I>&gt;<i> have to manually maintain explicit provides/requires for these in the
+</I>&gt;<i> spec, in contrast to
+</I>&gt;<i> those automatically generated by rpm during build.
+</I>&gt;<i> A meta subpackage sounds fairly reasonable (given the current
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives rpm provides,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not opposed to implementing something better), but should really be
+</I>&gt;<i> generated automatically in same fashion from the gem metadata during
+</I>&gt;<i> build, and not
+</I>&gt;<i> during initial package creation to be maintained manually afterwards,
+</I>&gt;<i> but there's no
+</I>&gt;<i> standard convention for automatically generating sub-packages in place
+</I>&gt;<i> to use yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you want support for making use of this metadata in some
+</I>&gt;<i> sensible and easily maintanable
+</I>&gt;<i> way, some extra work will be required, as it would fall on rpm's
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility to
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically do so and without extra mess to maintain in packages, I
+</I>&gt;<i> would advice to
+</I>&gt;<i> leave it out of packaging policies dictated for packagers to worry
+</I>&gt;<i> about, rather proposing
+</I>&gt;<i> it as a feature request for rpm.
+</I>Likewise, can also be discussed upstream so.
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About files:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shall we keep the gem in the cache directory ? I&#8217;m not sure this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; really useful, up till now I added it, but it makes the package a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bigger
+</I>&gt;<i> Nah, there's no use for it, that's why I implemented gem_helper.rb
+</I>&gt;<i> (which is what the %gem_build
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; %gem_install macros are wrapped around) to drop it by default.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also notice that gem_helper.rb will also actually recreate the gem
+</I>&gt;<i> with all the files
+</I>&gt;<i> that's not of any use dropped, then install this gem.
+</I>&gt;<i> I *think* the behaviour should be pretty sane and generic enough to
+</I>&gt;<i> work with most gems
+</I>&gt;<i> (to my understanding of gem packaging at least;), although the code
+</I>&gt;<i> itself isn't all that pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> (some of the very first ruby code I wrote a year ago) and certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> wouldn't hurt from
+</I>&gt;<i> being given some care and cleaned up by someone with better ruby
+</I>&gt;<i> skills and nicer ruby dialect
+</I>&gt;<i> than mine.. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shall we do a -doc subpackage for big packages ? I think it may be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interesting for package that have a lot of documentation and that are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; part of an ecosystem (ie, gems required for other packages like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gitorious)
+</I>&gt;<i> I certainly think -doc subpackages are of use, but from what to dictate any
+</I>&gt;<i> conditionals where and when to create such is something I'm not 100% on (I've
+</I>&gt;<i> added support to gem2rpm to do it for files specified as documentation by the
+</I>&gt;<i> gem metadata though), nor on *how* (should it be done by gem2rpm,
+</I>&gt;<i> or perhaps automatically during package build from the metadata, in
+</I>&gt;<i> similar fashion
+</I>&gt;<i> as proposed for -devel packages above?), I'm able to implement (or
+</I>&gt;<i> provide help in
+</I>&gt;<i> doing so) the request once the desired behaviour has been figured out though. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Normally %gem_* macros should take care of that, but we might have to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make it evolve.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think either way one should anyways try to keep as much as possible out of the
+</I>&gt;<i> .spec files, leaving as much as possible up to macros, wrappers, dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> extractors etc. to take care of. It'll help reduce maintenance work on
+</I>&gt;<i> the individual
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and help improve compatibility with other distributions.
+</I>100% agree on this.
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you see something I haven&#8217;t thought of ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will provide an example spec in this policy in the following days, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will take care of making the necessary changes to the existing packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; once we agree with the above points.
+</I>&gt;<i> Be sure to have it generated with gem2rpm, and try integrate the
+</I>&gt;<i> policy back into
+</I>&gt;<i> gem2rpm again, I've created a public repository for my fork at:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://gitorious.org/rpm5distro/gem2rpm5">http://gitorious.org/rpm5distro/gem2rpm5</A>
+</I>Thanks for the URL, actually I started modifying the erb template in
+gem2rpm, but will clone this and make pull request on this one then :)
+(and package it as well)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I might've added some additional confusion in trying to answer some of this,
+</I>&gt;<i> don't be afraid to ask on things where I don't make sense;)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+&gt;<i> In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;<i> already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;<i> look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+listing the masters and their padawans?
+Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
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+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+</I>&gt;<i> listing the masters and their padawans?
+</I>&gt;<i> Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+</I>&gt;<i> at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+
+I added a section on the packaging wiki with current mentoring; i would ask
+for mentors to put their students on that list
+
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+&gt;<i> I will be very interested at least to try. I propose to work on it until
+</I>&gt;<i> sunday evening and come back here with my attempt.
+</I>
+Thank you, I will review it (from a beginner POV) once you have something.
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+<PRE>On S&#225;bado 08 Enero 2011 11:18:24 Maarten Vanraes escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 08 januari 2011 11:02:29 schreef Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; listing the masters and their padawans?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I added a section on the packaging wiki with current mentoring; i would ask
+</I>&gt;<i> for mentors to put their students on that list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>
+I need a mentor. Preferably someone who can speak Spanish. My English is not
+too good.
+
+Best regards
+</PRE>
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+ <B>wolf python london</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; 1. Re: News of the front: first commits and mentoring &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;start
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(Oliver Burger)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; 2. Re: News of the front: first commits and mentoring &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;start
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;(Maarten Vanraes)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:02:29 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mentoring &#160; &#160; &#160; start
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201101081102.29826.oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: Text/Plain; &#160;charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+</I>&gt;<i> listing the masters and their padawans?
+</I>&gt;<i> Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+</I>&gt;<i> at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 11:18:24 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;mentoring &#160; &#160; &#160; start
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">201101081118.24229.maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: Text/Plain; &#160;charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 08 januari 2011 11:02:29 schreef Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> listing the masters and their padawans?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I added a section on the packaging wiki with current mentoring; i would ask
+</I>&gt;<i> for mentors to put their students on that list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>and I was wondering how the mentors choose their students? any special
+(personal I mean)conditions?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> End of Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
+</I>&gt;<i> *****************************************
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+--
+________________________
+wolf python london(WPL)
+Do as you soul should do !
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 08 januari 2011 15:21:52 schreef wolf python london:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; I added a section on the packaging wiki with current mentoring; i would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ask for mentors to put their students on that list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and I was wondering how the mentors choose their students? any special
+</I>&gt;<i> (personal I mean)conditions?
+</I>
+well, i would guess the students ask mentors, and i might think mentors ask
+some info about the person so they can say yes or no
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+
+perl does:
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+ BuildRequires: rpm-mandriva-setup-build &gt;= 1.8
+
+what should it be translated to? rpm-mageia-setup-build?
+or nothing at all, since we'll have the latest &amp; greatest version? :-)
+
+thanks,
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> On S&#225;bado 08 Enero 2011 11:18:24 Maarten Vanraes escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zaterdag 08 januari 2011 11:02:29 schreef Oliver Burger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2011-01-08
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; In same time we will start mentoring on people who said to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; already familiar with packaging so that they can join packagers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; team as soon as possible, mainly Blograke and mandrivausers.de
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packagers. Below are lists of mentors and trainees. Please have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; look on it and ask for mentor to start process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Wouldn't it be an idea to create a wiki page with some kind of table,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; listing the masters and their padawans?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Just as a way of not overrunning people like Anssi and Jerome who are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; at the top of the list and can mentor several people?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I added a section on the packaging wiki with current mentoring; i would ask
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for mentors to put their students on that list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need a mentor. Preferably someone who can speak Spanish. My English is not
+</I>&gt;<i> too good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perl does:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;BuildRequires: rpm-mandriva-setup-build &gt;= 1.8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what should it be translated to? rpm-mageia-setup-build?
+</I>BuildRequires: rpm-%{_target_vendor}-setup-build &gt;= 1.8
+
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+
+I just imported the perl packaging policy in the wiki, could someone
+review it please ? It&#8217;s located there:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=perl_policy">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=perl_policy</A>
+
+The main changes are related to Mandriva - Mageia.
+
+I&#8217;ve got a few questions about this.
+
+1) Will the first release be Mageia 2010.1 ?
+&gt;<i>perl-devel unconditionaly for native packages, and only before Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>2010.1 for pure perl packages if using ExtUtils::MakeMaker
+</I>Is this statement still valid today ? (in the original page, Mandrake
+10.0 was mentioned, but I did not want to remove it unless I am 100%
+sure this is not used anymore.
+
+2) About the tools, will we have a CPANPLUS-Dist-Mga backend, or will we
+reuse the CPANPLUS-Dist-Mdv ?
+
+Thanks in advance,
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jan 8 00:25:51 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jan 8 23:14:28 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 14<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-dev] [Cooker] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-dev] [Cooker] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding Java-Policy
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding Java-Policy
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing Perl policy
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>wolf python london
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>C&#233;sar Vargas - VaC|0
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-dev] packages importing: what replaces rpm-mandriva-setup-build
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-dev] packages importing: what replaces rpm-mandriva-setup-build
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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+ <b>Messages:</b> 14<p>
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+<!--0 01294442751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294442751-01294480949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01294442751-01294480949-01294481904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01294442751-01294480949-01294481904-01294487832- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01294442751-01294480949-01294481904-01294487832-01294510911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-dev] News of the front: first commits and mentoring start
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>C&#233;sar Vargas - VaC|0
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294459675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-dev] [Cooker] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294459675-01294480937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-dev] [Cooker] [RFC] Ruby packaging policy
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294479558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding Java-Policy
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294479558-01294486216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-dev] Adding Java-Policy
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294496512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>wolf python london
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294496512-01294497899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia-dev Digest, Vol 5, Issue 12
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294499307- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-dev] packages importing: what replaces rpm-mandriva-setup-build
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01294499307-01294520594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-dev] packages importing: what replaces rpm-mandriva-setup-build
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01294524868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-dev] Importing Perl policy
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Jan 8 23:14:28 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jan 8 23:14:00 CET 2011</i>
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