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+</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we +</I>>><i> >> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're +</I>>><i> > okay to discuss your changes +</I>>><i> > before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private +</I>>><i> > email *TEST THEM* locally +</I>>><i> > by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the +</I>>><i> > documentation i used to create my +</I>>><i> > iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by +</I>>><i> > submitting it in the BS. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, i tend to agree that at that time you didnt had others +</I>>><i> contributing or that could have a more active role and that always +</I>>><i> never disagree of your ideas, and all was like you wanted, wrongly or +</I>>><i> not. As i remember for example fixing severall things wrong in qt +</I>>><i> spec, many existing requires(pre) when there wasnt any %pre section. +</I>><i> I'm quite sorry but the majority of my changes were discussed with others (aka +</I>><i> ahmad,ennael,coling & dmorgan) & some of them where also rejected by ennael +</I>><i> for example... +</I>><i> I also ask for specific help regarding packaging to dmorgan (since he's the rpm +</I>><i> maintainer)  but sometimes also ask help to my old mentor neoclust in mandriva +</I>><i> so no i did do changes for  my own satisfaction .... +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit +</I>>><i> > with your attitude. +</I>>><i> > Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes +</I>>><i> > you changed the behavior +</I>>><i> > simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a +</I>>><i> > patch on kdeutils ( +</I>>><i> > <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti</A> +</I>>><i> > ls4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478 ) to remove  a simple rm -rf in a spec. +</I>>><i> > Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you +</I>>><i> > submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the +</I>>><i> > spec ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, thats the correct way to build kdeutils without printer_applet, +</I>>><i> not just removing files, but i think that patch will be submited +</I>>><i> upstream. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe you did not read me... +</I>><i> I strictly did not write or say that thoses changes were wrong, but that it +</I>><i> was not discussed at all *even* if they are correct because from what i just +</I>><i> read you did not submit the patch upstream... +</I>><i> Again it's because you think it's the right thing to do you're doing it +</I>><i> without even discussing it with me at least... +</I> +But i really do not get this, you only picj with the few commits i +did, why you havent point all others undiscussed commits? +And this wasnt discussed mainly due to your actions and the things you +said along with dmorgan. +I never heard you discussing any, and im already here for some time. + +>><i> +</I>>><i> That was already done after you started with that behaviour, but i +</I>>><i> also never see you discussing any change you made. +</I>>><i> Thats true, you never discuss any change, at least i never saw it. +</I>>><i> If theres a kde team, you and all kde members should discuss things, +</I>>><i> and maybe reach some agreement about whats really important to +</I>>><i> discuss, if dicuss all or just discuss more important changes, since +</I>>><i> discussing all can also delays development. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> because you're not always around in #mageia-kde or #mageia-dev... +</I>><i> I did asked you to join first this channel if you want to join/help on #mageia- +</I>><i> kde, didn't i ? +</I> +Yes and i did join those channels. + +><i> I'm exchanging mails with luc & dmorgan... +</I>><i> When i did somes changes in mageia-theme package, there was first a bug report +</I>><i> for having mageia theme available in KDE even if i was able to simply commit +</I>><i> in svn i first report the patch for the spec in the bugzilla, and i asked +</I>><i> ennael's opinion about this when it was just a *minor* stuff affecting only +</I>><i> *kde* where i'm the maintainer... That's how i work in a team & this only what +</I>><i> i need you to do and asked you already to do but you're still refusing it +</I>><i> arguing that « only » important changes should be done when you're the only +</I>><i> one to decide what is important & what is not... That's the problem & only one +</I>><i> problem i've got with you but you still do not understand i guess & refuse to +</I>><i> comply to my suggestions... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyway it seems we won't be able to resolve this either in private or in +</I>><i> public and i *really* doubt i will be able to work with you since we're not +</I>><i> agree at all about commit's stuff.. +</I>><i> There's also the fact that others peoples on the mailing list should not be +</I>><i> affected by thoses dicusssions so it ends here for me. +</I>><i> I'll wait for the discussion with you and ennael to put a definitive end on +</I>><i> this. +</I> +The main point here was how your attitude changed from a certain day. +You started rising tone everytime i didnt agree, like you owned kde +and i was forced to follow your ideas. +Even with Qt you were already against when i didnt said how i was +planing to disable webkit, and remember that until this point i always +discucsed things. + +For the rest i dont think worth comment, you must remember i always +talked with you untill you started rising your tone and dmorgan +appearing and done things and using his sysadmin hat like he used to +say. + +Like i suggested in the last thread we should have a meeting to talk +all about this, so that we could reach a consensus but so far you only +have been repeating things in ML's and bashing instead we could all +talk and not call dmorgen to do this or that, you havent listen +nothing of what i asked. +And i only came today answer to things you have said since i saw it +was too much, but you keep insisting instead talking like i have +*severall* times asked. +Please listen, i dont want to fight or bash no one, could we set a +meeting to finally talk and stop with this? + +It would much more productive if we could all use our efforts to +develop instead other things. +-- +Zé +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="007720.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007737.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7723">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7723">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7723">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7723">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |