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+ +><i> >> I think if we continued as a team without dmorgan interventions we +</I>><i> >> would continue in the right path for Mageia grow and stability. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I would better say that it would be better *without* you until you're +</I>><i> > okay to discuss your changes +</I>><i> > before commiting them or *even* better as i said in a previous private +</I>><i> > email *TEST THEM* locally +</I>><i> > by building them in a iurt chroot (& yes i already sent you the +</I>><i> > documentation i used to create my +</I>><i> > iurt repository locally) instead of commiting & fixing build errors by +</I>><i> > submitting it in the BS. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, i tend to agree that at that time you didnt had others +</I>><i> contributing or that could have a more active role and that always +</I>><i> never disagree of your ideas, and all was like you wanted, wrongly or +</I>><i> not. As i remember for example fixing severall things wrong in qt +</I>><i> spec, many existing requires(pre) when there wasnt any %pre section. +</I>I'm quite sorry but the majority of my changes were discussed with others (aka +ahmad,ennael,coling & dmorgan) & some of them where also rejected by ennael +for example... +I also ask for specific help regarding packaging to dmorgan (since he's the rpm +maintainer) but sometimes also ask help to my old mentor neoclust in mandriva +so no i did do changes for my own satisfaction .... + +><i> > So in summary please don't target anyone else when you're the culprit +</I>><i> > with your attitude. +</I>><i> > Again that does not mean that all your commits are wrong but sometimes +</I>><i> > you changed the behavior +</I>><i> > simply because you think it's better, for example recently you add a +</I>><i> > patch on kdeutils ( +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/kdeutils4/current/SPECS/kdeuti</A> +</I>><i> > ls4.spec?r1=128724&r2=134478 ) to remove a simple rm -rf in a spec. +</I>><i> > Is it wise to patch (& maintain a patch because i'm not sure you +</I>><i> > submitted it upstream) when we can simply remove thoses files in the +</I>><i> > spec ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, thats the correct way to build kdeutils without printer_applet, +</I>><i> not just removing files, but i think that patch will be submited +</I>><i> upstream. +</I> +Maybe you did not read me... +I strictly did not write or say that thoses changes were wrong, but that it +was not discussed at all *even* if they are correct because from what i just +read you did not submit the patch upstream... +Again it's because you think it's the right thing to do you're doing it +without even discussing it with me at least... + +><i> +</I>><i> That was already done after you started with that behaviour, but i +</I>><i> also never see you discussing any change you made. +</I>><i> Thats true, you never discuss any change, at least i never saw it. +</I>><i> If theres a kde team, you and all kde members should discuss things, +</I>><i> and maybe reach some agreement about whats really important to +</I>><i> discuss, if dicuss all or just discuss more important changes, since +</I>><i> discussing all can also delays development. +</I> +because you're not always around in #mageia-kde or #mageia-dev... +I did asked you to join first this channel if you want to join/help on #mageia- +kde, didn't i ? +I'm exchanging mails with luc & dmorgan... +When i did somes changes in mageia-theme package, there was first a bug report +for having mageia theme available in KDE even if i was able to simply commit +in svn i first report the patch for the spec in the bugzilla, and i asked +ennael's opinion about this when it was just a *minor* stuff affecting only +*kde* where i'm the maintainer... That's how i work in a team & this only what +i need you to do and asked you already to do but you're still refusing it +arguing that « only » important changes should be done when you're the only +one to decide what is important & what is not... That's the problem & only one +problem i've got with you but you still do not understand i guess & refuse to +comply to my suggestions... + +Anyway it seems we won't be able to resolve this either in private or in +public and i *really* doubt i will be able to work with you since we're not +agree at all about commit's stuff.. +There's also the fact that others peoples on the mailing list should not be +affected by thoses dicusssions so it ends here for me. +I'll wait for the discussion with you and ennael to put a definitive end on +this. + +Regards, + + +P.S: sorry again for this last mail. + +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="007723.html">[Mageia-dev] [135989] +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#7720">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#7720">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#7720">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#7720">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |