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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+ <I>Mon Nov 28 17:54:59 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Bringing a small bit of controversy, not on the very topic, sorry, but
+on a few remarks.
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+On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 15:25, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Am Montag, 28. November 2011, 15:10:01 schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't agree. I do think our main goal should be to provide a good linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro with as few proprietary packages as possible.
+</I>
+Guys, please reread our announcement
+(<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html">http://mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html</A> ); quoting a
+small part of it: &quot;keep a high-level of integration between the base
+system, the desktop (KDE/GNOME) and applications; especially improve
+third-parties (be it free or proprietary software) integration;&quot;.
+
+That was a plan, and plans are made to change and adapt, but still.
+
+&gt;<i> But I don't like us providing more and more nonfree applications.
+</I>
+If we are not to provide (that is package, host and distribute - and
+that is perfectly fair) these, couldn't we at least ease that for
+others (that would like to package their own apps, or host a specific,
+separate repository of nonfree apps that would still appeal to a
+significant fraction of users)? That would mean some more doc and
+tools for 3rd party packagers. And would solve in the same time one of
+the question that was opened on Council and not yet ported to -dev
+(aka, very large nonfree packages, such as games -data).
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+Or do we let them in the cold?
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+&gt;<i> It really is not that difficult to install things like flash, skype, teamviewer
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i> In my eyes it would be the far better solution to provide documentation on how
+</I>&gt;<i> to install them then provide a lot of those &quot;get-foo&quot; packages.
+</I>
+Right.
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+&gt;<i> Although &quot;easy usability&quot; is a good thing, people should remember they are
+</I>&gt;<i> working on the most complex machine they do have in their homes.
+</I>
+They wouldn't use it if they had this in mind. No one would. :-)
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+&gt;<i> While nobody expects to be able to use a modern video recorder without reading
+</I>&gt;<i> the manual first, everybody expects to be able to use a far more complex
+</I>&gt;<i> machine like a computer without reading anyting?
+</I>
+That's a fallacy. There's no excuse for making things more complicated
+that they need to be.
+
+It's not absurd that most people _expect_ that installing an
+application on their system is as simple (and as safe) as a drag'n
+drop or as typing an URL in their browser. Their focus is beyond that.
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+Romain
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