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Then when you know +</I>>><i> how things work you will be able to make sensible decisions. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you have anything interesting to say, just say it, +</I> +What is legal or not varies a lot from time to time and place +to place. If you want to do anything that is legal everywhere +for all time then you are doomed. Just concentrate on the laws +that apply to you. + +><i> no need to add +</I>><i> things like "You guys really need to talk to a lawyer". +</I> +Because I know that I am not an expert I am very reluctant to +tell you what to do. + +><i> Especially +</I>><i> when the rest of you email shows that you don't actually have anything +</I>><i> useful to say that we already know. People interested in patents +</I>probably +><i> already read this document (already posted on this list), which has +</I>much +><i> more useful and accurate informations than your email (without the +</I>><i> condescending tone), prepared by real lawyers : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq">http://www.debian.org/reports/patent-faq</A> +</I> +Sorry if I appeared condescending. + +The Debian document describes US law as considerably harsher than +the law where I am, but I'm not doing business in the US so I don't +really care. Are you in the US? Are you doing business in the US? +My reading of that document is that they repeatedly +tell the reader to talk to a lawyer. + +>><i> > Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced +</I>>><i> > patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the +</I>definition is +>><i> > fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it +</I>is +>><i> > weak, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Patented? That would stop me SELLING stuff, if someone has a valid +</I>>><i> patent in my jurisdiction, but if I am not selling then all patents +</I>>><i> are irrelevant. Check this with a local professional! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe you should do what you say and talk to a lawyer. You don't need +</I>><i> to sell anything to be attacked for patent infringement, or inducing +</I>><i> infringement (according to the document from lawyers at the Software +</I>><i> Freedom Law Center). It's just that you are a more attractive target +</I>if +><i> you're making a lot of money. +</I> +I have talked to patent attorneys about enforcing patents. The laws +are very different here and there. Again my emphasis on local experts. +Not selling is apparently not an adequate defence in the US. + +Here you can quite happily sell patented stuff - until someone +says, "Hey, I have a patent on that!", then you have to negotiate. + +><i> But the tainted repository is not here to protect Mageia, because +</I>Mageia +><i> is distributing it anyway. The goal of the tainted repository is to +</I>help +><i> mirror owners (which can be commercial companies) or users or people +</I>><i> selling stuff based on Mageia, who want to limit their legal risks by +</I>><i> avoiding the more risky software. +</I> +That is very nice of you, but I doubt that it is as useful as you hope. + +Does anybody making any claim in any jurisdiction mean that something +is tainted? Or does the claim have to be made by someone rich and +aggressive with a strong patent in a particular country? + +Don't answer that in public, just think about it. Do you want a +separate blacklist for every country? + +You appear to be aiming at the US, but their system is so perverse +that honestly trying to do the right thing can put you in a worse +position. Personally, I'm staying out of there. + +-- +sig goes here... +blind Pete + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009440.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdebase4-workspace-4.7.3-2.mga2 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9857">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9857">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9857">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9857">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |