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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+ <I>Tue Nov 22 14:04:13 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>On 11/21/2011 10:38 PM, Balcaen John wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 22 novembre 2011 00:11:49, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please understand that I have *never* modified any Mageia-installed NM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration file.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok so in fact you did not follow my suggestion here
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c1</A> ?
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+You know very well I did, as documented in
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c2">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c2</A> .
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+To be more precise, the problem originally occurred with configuration
+files as installed by Mageia, unmodified by me. I was simply making the
+point that the problem scenario wasn't some custom arrangement that I
+might have screwed up.
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+&gt;<i> hum ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The only comment here was that :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) ifcfg-mdv plugin was broken (&amp; now in fact dead in mageia 2+)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) try ifcfg-rh to see if it's also affected (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c6</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> you did not try arguing that the maintainer should report it upstream.
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865#c8</A> ) which is quite difficult if
+</I>&gt;<i> the maintainer (well in this case there is no maintainer so it's even more
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult) is not able to reproduce simply because for example he does not have
+</I>&gt;<i> the same wifi card. That's why i suggest you to report it upstream since you
+</I>&gt;<i> should be able to answer questions from upstream if needed.
+</I>
+This entire discussion makes it evident why I wasn't the best one to
+report it upstream. Far more about how NM was introduced into Mageia
+has come out in this thread than was ever posted in the bugs I
+mentioned. The googled references to other people having the problem
+were not hardware-specific, and didn't involve the hardware I was using,
+so the knowledge of whoever implemented NM in Mageia would be far more
+valuable to upstream than access to my hardware. I posted detailed
+logs, and I would have been following the upstream bug in any case.
+
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+&gt;<i> 3) keyfile is not affected by the hostname bug in #865
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However when i suggested to switch to keyfile (on irc indeed not on mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list) instead of the ifcfg-rh plugin or (any others non native
+</I>&gt;<i> plugins) i was told that we need to support ifcfg (which is right indeed)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in summary we have a working plugin (keyfile) but we're not able to use it
+</I>&gt;<i> because we need to support ifcfg- files so we're stick with the redhat plugin
+</I>&gt;<i> for now until we found someone able to fix the missing functionnalities in this
+</I>&gt;<i> plugin.
+</I>
+This really is not about saying you (or anyone else) did anything wrong
+here. I'm just making the point that Cauldron shouldn't be a one-way
+street. When something gets dropped in and has serious enough problems,
+and the situation (for whatever reason) prevents us from being able to
+fix it, then the appropriate thing to do is withdraw it until we can.
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