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Not +</I>><i> everybody make the distinction between minor and major, especially for +</I>><i> software developpers. +</I>Well to be honest i can't be sure that a minor version of KDE is *reallly* bug +fixes only, even if it's wrote like this upstream. +><i> +</I>><i> And again, the question of QA is here. Since we didn't detect the +</I>><i> regression ( and since there is so much crashes to fix, and sine +</I>><i> everybody think that's important enough to bypass our policy, according +</I>><i> to people in the thread ), how do people plan to make sure the most +</I>><i> obvious one are corrected ? +</I>Did we have from the start the minimum of people able to use & came in the +situation of trigger them ? + + +><i> Do we have open bug reports about them, with clear reproducer ? +</I>The answer here depends of above. +But the question about having bug reports about them with *clear* reproducer +is interresting. +Let's take an example : + +If an end user found a bug/crash in kdeenlive he might be not able to provide +a clear way to reproduce it because he's using some specific codecs with +specific options and so he might be able to provide only the backtrace. +Sometimes upstream can directly fix the crash using this backtrace because it's +obvious (from a coder point of view of course , not from my point of view :p +), so the end user will be happy. +What should we do in that case ? backport the patch for a crash where we don't +have any reproducer to ensure our QA is able to test & report it fixed ? or +just ignore it because of our policy ? +because of course fixing this bug could introduce another one etc etc. + +Perhaps some users of kdenlive of mageia noticed some of thoses +crash/corruption but did not report them on mageia's bugzilla because +- they don't know how to do it or not able to provide a « clear » way to +reproduce it +- they report directly upstream + +Sticking to a have a clear reproducer to get a patch available in our package +might reduce the chance of passing the QA :) + + +><i> And do at least someone plan to use kdenlive enough to say "this fixed +</I>><i> the bug I have been seeing before" ? +</I>I'm not sure we have enough users to ensure that some of them will report the +bug on our bugzilla, not to mention the fact that some users still see the +bugzilla as a write only media... + + +><i> Or do we plan to do "it started, so it is good enough, let's ship it" ? +</I>Here's the packager is supposed to provides a list of things to test & not let +QA alone. +Regarding kdeenlive for example every issue listed on the changelog is linked +to their bugzilla so the packager (poor juancho :p ) might be able to provide +a list of things to test. + +Also we should not forget that our process for backports is the same so QA +will need to do the same work (that's also why i personnaly won't backport +anything to ease the work for our small QA) so the idea of pushing kdenlive to +backports instead of updates does not solve the situation from a QA +perspective. + +Anyway since it's our policy i'll stick strictly on it now to avoid this kind +of situation (& next time i'll try to follow with more attention our work on +policy :p). I'll try also to manager sometimes to take part of the QA process +to increase the number of people available in this team. + + +Regards, + +-- +Balcaen John +Jabber-id: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009580.html">[Mageia-dev] BuildRequires and pkgconfig +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009568.html">[Mageia-dev] [changelog] [RPM] cauldron core/release kdenlive-0.8.2-1.mga2 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |