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Any objections? +</I> +You guys *really* need to talk to a lawyer. Then when you know +how things work you will be able to make sensible decisions. + +Maybe I can prime you with some background that I hope will be +helpful. + +1. Free legal advice is worth what you pay for it. ;-) + Don't trust what I write - just take it as a starting point. + +2. Laws vary enormously from one jurisdiction to another. + Where are you? Your company? Your assets? Your + employees? Are you ever likely to travel to, or though + barbaric counties where you could be dragged of the + plane and jailed for something like wearing lipstick in + the past - even though it was perfectly legal at the time + and place that you did it? + +3. There could be serious translation difficulties. Where I + am, patents and trademarks are very different things. That + might be different in the French language and French / + European law. I suspect that you are confusing two + different things that you need to understand. Talk to + a lawyer. + +4. Do the terms; sell, give away, sell for a profit, sell at + cost, and non-profit organisation, have good French + translations? Are those terms legally relevant to you? + +5. There is such a thing as a world wide patent *application*, + but there is no such thing as a world wide patent. Almost + all countries acknowledge such an application, but they + do there own thing and have to be paid separately to finish + the job. + +I don't even know what you would call such a professional. +Here an IP lawyer is a specialist in intellectual property, +not internet protocols. ;-) Perhaps you want a patent attorney. + +><i> Yes, I do have one, I think we agreed that tainted was for enforced +</I>><i> patents, or those that would likely be enforced. While the definition is +</I>><i> fuzzy, I doubt that the patent will be enforced, mainly because it is +</I>><i> weak, +</I> +Patented? That would stop me SELLING stuff, if someone has a valid +patent in my jurisdiction, but if I am not selling then all patents +are irrelevant. Check this with a local professional! + +><i> Red Hat lawyers are right for a US company, but we are not in the same +</I>><i> position as Red Hat ( ie, we are not in the US, we are not a company +</I>><i> with several millions on the bank account and no one will ever attack us +</I>><i> because we are competing with them ). +</I> +Red Hat is selling stuff for profit in the US, a very different +situation. + +><i> For the icons, what is the problem exactly, ie what icons are +</I>><i> copyrighted ? +</I> +Patents, trademarks and copyright are different things, at least +where I am. Learn the difference, if there is one where you are. + +Get competent legal advice then decide whether to run for the +hills or stand your ground and be prepared to say, "If you can +point to a valid French patent we will not sell that". + + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="009457.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="009465.html">[Mageia-dev] [RFC] move cairo-dock to tainted because of trademark/patent issues +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#9460">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#9460">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#9460">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#9460">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |